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Old 03-10-2006, 01:19 PM   #1
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no MSF didn't impress me. A couple of ladies fell off their bikes the last day (one during the test) and they still passed. You're telling me that's preparing people to ride? Gimme a break....:eh:
since i didn;t want to up the helmet thread anymore then it already is.

just FYI, falling during the riding EVAL. is an auto fail. BUT, TX allows people to retake the test a 2nd time, the same day.

is it perfect, nope. but just like a driving test, you can go back the very next day, maybe the same day to another DPS station and retake the driving test whether on bike or car.

these are minimum standards. and yup the state test driving/riding skills to a minimum.

am i keen on it, not really. but it's their own lives at risk.

and i keep saying, you get out of it what you put into it. you can go in w/ learning as an objective and you'll learn something, you can go in knowing everything, and your not gonna learn a thing.
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those people do have the opinion of taking it again.. but do they really go back and take the coarse they paid 180 dollars for again? MSF isn't doing its job if their letting people who fall off the bikes at really low speeds get their license.
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but it's their own lives at risk.
admit it. you do it because you get to ride a motorcycle and get paid to do it. not because you think you can save lifes
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but mistakes do happen. People will continue to fall during MSF. Better there than on the highway... IMO
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they can take it again, but they;ll more then likely have to pay something.

i;ve had a student take the class 2x, failed 1st time, passed 2nd time.

like i said. if they fail, they can get a retest. just like a driving test. you can;t protect people from themselves.
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yeah no joke.. don't give them the certific though and allow them to hit the streets
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admit it. you do it because you get to ride a motorcycle and get paid to do it. not because you think you can save lifes

Not everybody has a job that pays them and they like it too.

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admit it. you do it because you get to ride a motorcycle and get paid to do it. not because you think you can save lifes
a lil of both, the money doesn't hurt. but like any teaching job, it's underpaid and under-appreciated. and it does save lives.

90% of motorcycle deaths are people who are self taught or taught by family friends. vs taking the MSF.
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i'm not going to say MSF is completely worthless. I went there never being on a motorcycle before and I learned how to ride somewhat. I learned to shift a litle, etc. But I definitely wasn't ready to start driving on my own. So you take MSF, and then what? What if you don't know someone who rides that will help you? Luckily Ramius helped me out when he sold me his bike, but if he hadn't I probably wouldn't have lasted very long.
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well riding a bike isn't rocket science. but some people just suck at everything
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i'm not going to say MSF is completely worthless. I went there never being on a motorcycle before and I learned how to ride somewhat. I learned to shift a litle, etc. But I definitely wasn't ready to start driving on my own. So you take MSF, and then what? What if you don't know someone who rides that will help you? Luckily Ramius helped me out when he sold me his bike, but if he hadn't I probably wouldn't have lasted very long.

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a lil of both, the money doesn't hurt. but like any teaching job, it's underpaid and under-appreciated. and it does dave lives.

90% of motorcycle deaths are people who are self taught or taught by family friends. vs taking the MSF.
That is kind of an incomplete statistic. That means 10% of people who die on a bike have taken MSF. What % of bikers out there have taken MSF though??? If it's only 10%, which I'm sure it's not, that means every person who takes MSF dies.
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yeah no joke.. don't give them the certific though and allow them to hit the streets
well then they can waddle to the DPS take a test which is much easier then the MSF test, take it prolly pass. and are now legal to ride.
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That is kind of an incomplete statistic. That means 10% of people who die on a bike have taken MSF. What % of bikers out there have taken MSF though??? If it's only 10%, which I'm sure it's not, that means every person who takes MSF dies.

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i have to disagree on this one ... i was impressed with the fact that a first timer person after 2 days of riding handles a bike that well. it may not be the answer if you already know how to ride but it does open your eyes on lots of things so overall its benificial.
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I've driven by the parking lot at Tumbleweeds and noticed there is a MSF place there. Makes me wonder just how many times those bikes are dropped.
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That is kind of an incomplete statistic. That means 10% of people who die on a bike have taken MSF. What % of bikers out there have taken MSF though??? If it's only 10%, which I'm sure it's not, that means every person who takes MSF dies.
true it's incomplete. but thats all thats out there.

in NJ in '04 , 29 people died on bikes, 1 had taken the MSF none of he others had. thats 97% of non-MSFers dead .in TX i think it;s closer to 82%
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