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Old 02-10-2006, 09:49 AM   #1
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Your kidding right?
Let see, let's give hardcore users free Heroin, let's make it available to everyone.

"Heroin is not a harmful drug"
WTF? Sounds like he's been partaking of it himself.

Years back a girl and guy I was friends with got hooked on heroin.
Both came from well to do families with TONs of disposable incomes, so getting money to supply their habit was not a problem.
The drug DESTROYED both of them. Eventually causing one to commit suicide, the other, now clean, is but a shadow of her former self.

For someone to claim that heroin is a "safe" drug is unconscienable.
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"Heroin, if it's used on a maintenance basis, in pharmacological doses without any risk of overdose or contamination, is actually a very safe drug. About the only side effects that you find in the literature, other than addiction, are chronic constipation, diminution of drive, a very dry mouth, which can result in poor oral hygiene."



:eh: Gee, even those side effects don't sound too good.
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I as well have 2 old friends that have completly destroyed there lives mariage and totaly up there kids life using herion and meth... I have absolutly no respect for them or anybody elce that do things like this....
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Your kidding right?
Let see, let's give hardcore users free Heroin, let's make it available to everyone.

"Heroin is not a harmful drug"
WTF? Sounds like he's been partaking of it himself.

Years back a girl and guy I was friends with got hooked on heroin.
Both came from well to do families with TONs of disposable incomes, so getting money to supply their habit was not a problem.
The drug DESTROYED both of them. Eventually causing one to commit suicide, the other, now clean, is but a shadow of her former self.

For someone to claim that heroin is a "safe" drug is unconscienable.
For anyone to believe that is naive.'
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maybe you should reread the article again. make it available to everyone? that's ridiculous and you know it and you know that's nowhere close to what they are doing. the article had a VERY limited scope for only hardcore drug addicts meeting a stringent array of criteria. it's not saying "hey let's all go do heroin because there's no consequences and it's 100% safe and fun", it's saying that maybe if you give these addicts heroin, monitor them, etc. it will help them lead SOMEWHAT productive lives again. would you rather them all running around stealing and spreading disease through prostitution to get their fix or give them the heroin that they are going to get anyways and let them get back on with their miserable life. they would also be up Heroin dealers, did you think about that? or would you rather them continue to get rich off of these people's self induced suffering. and heroin IS pretty much safe if done in a moderate dose. safe in this context means it doesn't harm any vital organs. what's not safe about it is that it is probably the most addictive drug there is, it's expensive and you will be poor soon, and it's easy to OD due to varying degrees of purity/potency.
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I think what they are getting at is that the combination of both the overdosing and the constant strugle to get the illegal drug is bringing them down. Although I dont agree with giving away free heroin, I can see why they want to do the study. Maybe if the users didnt have to worry about finding and financing their habit all the time, they could focus on more productive things.
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I'd sign up, as long as i don't have to shoot it up. Heroin isn't something i've done before but i like to make my own opinion about it rather then just assume it's bad cause everybody tells me.

btw i'm not a crack head looking for free drugs.
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I'd sign up, as long as i don't have to shoot it up. Heroin isn't something i've done before but i like to make my own opinion about it rather then just assume it's bad cause everybody tells me.

btw i'm not a crack head looking for free drugs.
lol. you have to have been an addict for a long time. they aren't just handing it out to anyone who wants it, though patrick seems to think they should.
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they aren't just handing it out to anyone who wants it, though patrick seems to think they should.
No I don't think they should, but I think if society "enables" or "accepts" heroin use it then becomes more prevalent. Look at the current trend in Hollywood involving young actors and heroin.

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It's a steping stone away, give drugs to "hardcore" users, but gee, we can't find enough of those so we have to lower the standards.

Alice,
I don't know you, or anything about your life experiences, but from your replies they seem rather limited in scope.
Have you ever been around heroin addicts? Do you personally know any? Can someone truly recreationally use heroin?
So who pays for the free heroin? Where is it purchased?
Who controls / decides who gets in the program?

There's already a program to help heroin users cope with their addiction, it called a methadone program, most major cities have one and they aren't really icons of success. Or are you familiar with that program?




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just read the article... crazy idea (imho)...
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It's a steping stone away, give drugs to "hardcore" users, but gee, we can't find enough of those so we have to lower the standards.

Alice,
I don't know you, or anything about your life experiences, but from your replies they seem rather limited in scope.
Have you ever been around heroin addicts? Do you personally know any? Can someone truly recreationally use heroin?
So who pays for the free heroin? Where is it purchased?
Who controls / decides who gets in the program?

There's already a program to help heroin users cope with their addiction, it called a methadone program, most major cities have one and they aren't really icons of success. Or are you familiar with that program?




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Limited in scope? Are you saying I don't have enough life experience to know what I'm talking about? You might be right. Have I been around heroin addicts? I went to rehab the day after I turned 18, in Sunnyside, near Southpark, for 90 days. There was a wide range of addicts. None of them were currently struggling with heroin that I knew of, but I don't think it matters. Either way, I've been around drugs enough to know a little about them. As for who pays for distributing/manufacturing heroin, if you could get the bureaucratic/pharmaceutical cut out, heroin would probably cost 1$ a gram to manufacture... -arrested development finale on-later
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heroin is actually used in morphine and a few other medical products...what does it do when you take it?
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Alice,
It's very commendable that you got help for your problem. I would think that because of your experience you would realize that staying on drugs is not a solution to the problem.
Methadone programs for addicts are designed to enable them to live more productive lives, as there is no "high" as with heroin and it eliminates the withdrawals caused by heroin. So the user would than be able to actually be able to be productive, versus someone in a heroin induced fog.
IMO by suppying heroin to an addict you aren't enabling him to do much more than get "high" on the dole.
The money for the proposed program would be much better spent on genuine rehab (read methadone / alternative treatment clinics) with actual qualified staff and halfway houses, as well as education and preventative measures.

BTW, anyone curious about heroin or it's effects should check out here:
http://www.nida.nih.gov/Infofacts/heroin.html

They are actually quite unbiased and scientific about the whole thing.

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i'm not sure if heroin IS the solution, but I think it's worth doing a study. a hardcore user probably has enough tolerance built up already that a dose of heroin isn't going to knock em out, but I don't know. As for methadone, people abuse and OD in high numbers with that too, so it does get you "high", just doesn't get the hardcore heroin users high, which heroin might not either, hence the study. i think i remember reading somewhere that they already do something like this in Sweden or Switzerland, where they just give the junkie his fix and send him on his way.
i understand that it's definitely better if the user just quit altogether, but heroin is an extremely addictive drug, mentally as well as physically, from what i've read. even crack, meth, etc. aren't physically addictive like heroin is. you can lock someone up and have them withdrawl, but that mental addiction will bring them right back to it. i don't know, it's a sticky situation, but i think there needs to be some open mindedness to alternate methods of dealing with it. you see a lot more open mindedness to different issues in countries like canada, sweden, switzerland, etc. and they seem to do pretty well, but who knows

oh and another (probably better) link for heroin http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/heroin/heroin.shtml
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AJ, morphine will numb pain, and kinda feels like you're getting a little highI had a chance to test it's magic last year, and let me tell you, that works when you're on great pain.

On the downside, you won't be able to take a as long you're using it. It shuts the sewage system down.
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