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Old 09-08-2008, 09:48 AM   #1
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endurance team help

well looks like me and a couple of friends are gonna start an endurance team next year.however i for one never have been on one and neither have they,can you guys give us some pointers.i mean as far as how do you handdle costs after crashes and such.also what kind of luck have you had with your particular brand/size of bike.we're planning to run an SV however i hear many folks say they blowup too often
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SV's "blow up" when you build the engine up- but not a whole lot of the built ones too, just the ones that are built to the edge. Leave 'em stock and they'll last forever as long as you don't over-rev 'em and do a bunch of high wheelies.

I've been endurance racing SV's for quite a while, I'll be happy to help you out with equipment lists and such. Diggler (SN on here) and I used to race together, he's got a ton of information too.
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our endu. team split all cost' until we had a crash, fortunately, we race a mini motard which crashes very well. I would suggest pooling your money together to by spares for such cases. if you have spares and crashes, you have replacement parts on hand for quick fixes. i suggest buying a lot of spares, in the case of a bad crash, you guys together need to figure that out on your own, whatever the majority vote says.
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our endu. team split all cost' until we had a crash, fortunately, we race a mini motard which crashes very well. I would suggest pooling your money together to by spares for such cases. if you have spares and crashes, you have replacement parts on hand for quick fixes. i suggest buying a lot of spares, in the case of a bad crash, you guys together need to figure that out on your own, whatever the majority vote says.
Good point, guess I should have mentioned that too (how we split costs).

We have one "owner" that owns the bike and spares. If someone crashes, they pay 100% of the repair. We use spares at the track and not for crash replacement after the race- spares are to get us back on the track after a crash during a race. Remember the key word "endurance".

Engine issues (we have a built engine) are split by the team. We have rider support from some shops for dyno-tuning and engine building that keep the costs lower.

We split entry fees and consumables (like oil changes, fuel, tires, etc). The cool thing is that the SV only uses one set of tires, no matter the race (as long as you're on Bridgestones that is...). We've even run the 8 hour (and won) on one set of tires, and did the track day that came up next on them.

Some teams do a "buy in" where each member pays their share of the cost of the bike and spares, then splits all the other costs of consumables and entry fees.

Some teams have an owner that owns the bike, pays for consumables, and absorbs all the costs associated with them, but also keeps all of the contingency and winnings (this works for the teams that are consistent winners). In the other above scenarios, the team will also share with winnings and contingency. I've been on teams like that and only had to show up and ride. It's pretty cool with that scenario, makes you feel like a pro!

We've rolled contingency and winnings over to the next race to pay for the consumables and entry fees before too.

Still others have agreements that the team shares a percentage of the cost of repairs for crashes/ engine issues to like %50 share the first crash, and the percentage goes up from there.

The different ways to run a team are almost limitless. I believe the best way is to have one owner, and have everyone else share expenses for entry fees and consumables/ engine issues and have the crasher pay all repair costs. That way, nobody can whine about when the bike is sold and for how much, and nobody tries to claim a piece of the pie either.
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Old 09-08-2008, 11:20 AM   #5
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You can't race endurance until you have cleared your Prov Nov requirements. Make sure everyone on the team has cleared their requirements.

I also have a cost spreadsheet breakdown if you want it.
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Every bike will have a different amount to it, as in what it'll take to run it per endurance hour.

Once you come up with a number - have you team members agree to it.

Your biggest costs will be tires, then GAS. SV650 will be easy on both.

As far as crashing goes, have the person riding at the time of crash pay $500, rest of the team splits it among them. That ways (most crashes) the person at fault will be paying the most - which makes sense. But not enough to where it'll break his bank.

If that does NOT set well with your team, you can go with the % rule.
1st crash - 25% crashee, team 75%.
2nd crash - 50% crashee, team 50%.
3rd crash - 75% crashee, team 25%.

Rest of the season if the same person crashes - he/she pays in full.

The above is obviously applying to the same person crashing, somebody will have to keep track of who crashed how much - renew/refresh the count every season.

The 1st method (straight $500) will probably work better IMO.
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excellent guys,thats what i needed.
i was debating gsxr600 or sv but i dont think the 600 will go 4 hours on one set of tires......maybe a well tuned 2nd gen SV is in the future.(anyone have a cheap one)
about the prov-nov,i/we planned on taking the class at ECR race,cornerworking the two days and doing the first sprints next season............
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excellent guys,thats what i needed.
i was debating gsxr600 or sv but i dont think the 600 will go 4 hours on one set of tires......maybe a well tuned 2nd gen SV is in the future.(anyone have a cheap one)
about the prov-nov,i/we planned on taking the class at ECR race,cornerworking the two days and doing the first sprints next season............
The GSXR600 will easily go on 4 hours on a set of tires...specially starting out. Yea when you guys start hauling it and come close to expert lap times, then maybe - just maybe.
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excellent guys,thats what i needed.
i was debating gsxr600 or sv but i dont think the 600 will go 4 hours on one set of tires......maybe a well tuned 2nd gen SV is in the future.(anyone have a cheap one)
about the prov-nov,i/we planned on taking the class at ECR race,cornerworking the two days and doing the first sprints next season............
I would recommend getting your sprint races out of the way this season that way you will obtain points throughout the season.

Trivial maybe, but could be the difference between a top finish in class to have those points for every race.
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I would recommend getting your sprint races out of the way this season that way you will obtain points throughout the season.

Trivial maybe, but could be the difference between a top finish in class to have those points for every race.

Good advise there
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I'd recommend an SV for a first race bike for a number of reasons: reliability, inexpensive to race, easy to ride, crashes well.
I've got 2 for sale; a full house former F2 championship winner and a well set up stock engined one.

As far as endurance advice, make sure your teammates are commited.
One of the best ways to do that is have everyone own a piece of the bike, that way they have a vested interest in it.

I've owned / run / raced on multiple successful (and not so successful) endurance teams.
Swing by if you get time and I'd be happy to share some insight with you.
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