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Old 10-20-2005, 03:14 PM   #41
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racer x, I'm not against you on this one by no means, your the voice of wisdom and logic on this board (at least i think so but using a variation of your example...a family is out camping, the put out there bond fire and leave yet they didn't snuff it out completely (not intently of course but by accident) and it starts a forest fire, a fire fighter dies putting out that fire, should the family be charge with murder and/or manslaughter?
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bottom line that cop has no skills ....
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Oh ok. I coulda sworn that it was a crackhead or homeless person that accidentally set a place on fire and killed a fireman. Maybe I have two stories confused.
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Now that i have thought about the crack head no i do not think so for the simple reason is that the fire man was doing his job and dies doing what he loved to do. The crack head should be charged with arson and a crack possession....
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if the biker was obeying the law, then the law enforcing officer would not have gave chase. the officer gave chase to catch a law-breaker. thats his job.............he should have know WELL he was breaking th elaw and it was only a matter of time before the would be a cops on his . one more idiot off the road, too bad it cost a good cop his life.
Only if you have never broken the law, can you take that position. Otherwise you are a hypocrite. Should you be potentially locked up for the rest of your life everytime you break the law? I go back to the example I gave before. The EXACT same thing could have happened if the LEO chased the soccer mom in her minivan for doing 70 in a 60. Should mom be held for manslaughter? I bet your position would change if you were doing 70 in a 60 and a cop pulled out and gave chase, hit a nail and died, and you were brought up on man slaughter charges. When you see things one way for others but different for yourself, it's call hypocracy...
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you wanna play, be ready to pay. from rolling a stop sign to bustin 150+mph

and i bet if it were your family you;d think differently. easy to say, hard to do.
not trying to pick on your racer x, ur a cool cat in my books, but lets try another scenario, say for example your trucking on along 100% legit, not speeding or anything silly, a cop notices that your license plate light it out and fires his car up and floors it in an attempt to catch up with you (this happen to me before), now if his tire blows out over something that you had no control over, like a nail in the road or how fast he was going, should you be charged in the same way this other guy got it? you were breaking the law at that point, no technicalities about it, you might as well been speeding!? so, my question is, do you deserve the same sentence?
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Now that i have thought about the crack head no i do not think so for the simple reason is that the fire man was doing his job and dies doing what he loved to do. The crack head should be charged with arson and a crack possession....
+1 , the crack head didnt tell that guy to run in that burning building and and take a nap
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Only if you have never broken the law, can you take that position. Otherwise you are a hypocrite. Should you be potentially locked up for the rest of your life everytime you break the law? I go back to the example I gave before. The EXACT same thing could have happened if the LEO chased the soccer mom in her minivan for doing 70 in a 60. Should mom be held for manslaughter? I bet your position would change if you were doing 70 in a 60 and a cop pulled out and gave chase, hit a nail and died, and you were brought up on man slaughter charges. When you see things one way for others but different for yourself, it's call hypocracy...
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not trying to pick on your racer x, ur a cool cat in my books, but lets try another scenario, say for example your trucking on along 100% legit, not speeding or anything silly, a cop notices that your license plate light it out and fires his car up and floors it in an attempt to catch up with you (this happen to me before), now if his tire blows out over something that you had no control over, like a nail in the road or how fast he was going, should you be charged in the same way this other guy got it? you were breaking the law at that point, no technicalities about it, you might as well been speeding!? so, my question is, do you deserve the same sentence?

Except there is one problem here and that is this the license plate is a lesser offence then 100+ at 100+ mph even on a bike you can hurt or kill somebody very easily..

Although i do not agree w/ racerx's statements I do understand where he is coming from....
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not trying to pick on your racer x, ur a cool cat in my books, but lets try another scenario, say for example your trucking on along 100% legit, not speeding or anything silly, a cop notices that your license plate light it out and fires his car up and floors it in an attempt to catch up with you (this happen to me before), now if his tire blows out over something that you had no control over, like a nail in the road or how fast he was going, should you be charged in the same way this other guy got it? you were breaking the law at that point, no technicalities about it, you might as well been speeding!? so, my question is, do you deserve the same sentence?
license plate light=misdeamenor at most.
running 100+ = felony.........

i think my fire setting is a better example, even accidentally. let alone setting the fire on purpose. they found the arsonist guilty of ?? murder/homicide/manslaughter, not sure which it was. he had no intention of killing anybody, just burning the place down. well the biker had no intention, just wanted to race...........but went downhill, and somebody died. somebody will be held accountable.

if biker hadn't a been hauling , cop wouldn't have whipped a uiee.....

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Only if you have never broken the law, can you take that position. Otherwise you are a hypocrite. Should you be potentially locked up for the rest of your life everytime you break the law? I go back to the example I gave before. The EXACT same thing could have happened if the LEO chased the soccer mom in her minivan for doing 70 in a 60. Should mom be held for manslaughter? I bet your position would change if you were doing 70 in a 60 and a cop pulled out and gave chase, hit a nail and died, and you were brought up on man slaughter charges. When you see things one way for others but different for yourself, it's call hypocracy...
misdeamenor or felony speeding? let alone wreckless, racing you name it.........
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there was a similar case on court tv where the cop killed some kid getting off school while chasing a man in a car... the cop was blamed but nothing was done to him... i think the old cop mentality "we need to get everyone to prove that we are the best on the street " can be wrong sometimes... u got to give up a loosing chase....

+if the bike passed on the other side of the highway by the time the cop makes the turn the bike would have been long gone.....
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running 100+ = felony.........

i think my fire setting is a better example, even accidentally. let alone setting the fire on purpose. they found the arsonist guilty of ?? murder/monicide/manslaughter, not sure which it was. he had no intention of killing anybody, just burning the place down. well the biker had no intention, just wanted to race...........but went downhill, and somebody died. somebody will be hel accountable.

if biker hadn't a been hauling , cop wouldn't have whipped a uiee.....
OK i miss understood was the cracky trying to burn the place down or was it a accident that it started burning i was under the influence that it was a accident if not then yes i think he should of been convicted of whatever happened but it still wasn’t the same when setting a build on fire there is a way better chance that somebody would get hurt besides your self where as the guy riding was just riding and the cop got a flat so in that instance no I do not agree with you and probably will not agree.


You do bring up good points tho racer and i would like to agree to disagree if that is cool with you....
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its cool, were not lawyers though i do play one on the i-net. and we weren't in the courtroom.......

but i think alot of motorcyclist feel diff. then the general public. the verdict come down in 3hr, thats awful quick for a manslaughter charge........they were very sure in their decision. sometime you gotta think like the public vs a motorcyclist.
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Yea i do understand that and its something to think about i might run this passed my old man a conservative motorcyclist like you my friend...
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Hold on.......I just re-read the original story. What did the person in the sportscar get? He would be just as much at fault as the motorcyclist being that they were both racing.
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lol they catch the bike but not the porshe hmm interesting..
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in which state did all this happen?!?!?!
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