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Old 05-07-2008, 08:46 AM   #1
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Ok track junkies hereís a noob question about tires on the track. How long before you change them? Iím currently running Corsa 3 and they still are sticking really good, but I can spin them up a little when getting back on the power coming out of the curves, but Iíve got a pretty steady throttle hand so I hardly do spin them enough where I actually notice it. Does my rear tire look ok for another track day or two? I currently ran 2:00 at MSRH last noob day, (I know IĎm still slow) but would have been easily faster with out really trying to hard with a faster group since I kept running into traffic slowing me down. Iím just not sure when to call it a day on a tire for the track. For the street this tire is still fine. I donít change them till Iím on the wear bars for the street. My front still looks fine to me so I didnít take any picks, but itís showing some wear for sure, but not as much as the rear to me. This rear tire has seen 6 track days from my very first track day ever till now. Iíve got another rear sitting in my garage, but hate throwing away money so I wanted to find out from you regular track junkies if this tire is still good are maybe have to many heat cycles through it or the tread is to low? The new one has better tread depth for sure in comparison. Iíve pretty much turned my bike into a track bike and will be transitioning into some Pro series tires once I get through these and get some warmers.
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if it were me, i'd change it out. 6 trackdays is quite a bit of time on a tire.
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change em. sell those to someone who cruises the streets to recover some $$$ for new ones.
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if it were me, i'd change it out. 6 trackdays is quite a bit of time on a tire.
+1 that thing is probably pretty hard after so many heata cycles. I'm thinking your not using warmer eh?

They look fine for the street though.
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yeah but 6 track days is alot but if you feel it dying on you then you know it time to change. Plus your on a gsxr1000 rite?
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This is a tough question, and I get asked this about 1000 times a weekend. Really without knowing you and your riding style; I'd lean to the side of caution. Tires are cheaper than bodywork & hospital bills. Your in a tough spot as a rider. Your picking up speed, and confidence. I honestly doubt you'll outrun the equipment anytime soon, but you will overrun your talent (knowledge) level....eventually. Better suspension, brakes & tires offer insurance at this point more than performance.

With all of that said, How many street miles are on the tires, and how many trackdays?

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This is a tough question, and I get asked this about 1000 times a weekend. Really without knowing you and your riding style; I'd lean to the side of caution. Tires are cheaper than bodywork & hospital bills. Your in a tough spot as a rider. Your picking up speed, and confidence. I honestly doubt you'll outrun the equipment anytime soon, but you will overrun your talent (knowledge) level....eventually. Better suspension, brakes & tires offer insurance at this point more than performance.

With all of that said, How many street miles are on the tires, and how many trackdays?

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6 track days and about 1000 street miles. They pretty much hit the track after getting them.
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Certainly I would opt for some new rubber......
(cough)(cough)...can I help lol
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Certainly I would opt for some new rubber......
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ok thanks for the feedback. Yes most likely. I already have a rear sitting in my garage, but will need a front to go with it. I run Pirelli Diablo Corsa III right now. After I go through this next set I'm wanting to try out the Dot's. I'm leaning towards the Pirelli Dragon Supercorsa Pro Medium or Bt-002 Pro Med. I got to get some tire warmers though for them so for now I'll run my new Corsa 3 for 5 or 6 track days again since I already have one new one sittign around and sale these used one to a street rider like everyone is suggesting.
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change em. sell those to someone who cruises the streets to recover some $$$ for new ones.
yeah I talked to you yesterday about them to, but was getting a feeling about what everybody else thought to. Thanks Tony. Now get back to painting my fairing. Can't wait to see it and check it out on my next track day.

Oh an BIGcomfy I'm not using tire warmers yet. They are in the works after my fairings are done. Maybe next month I'll have them. Yeah Andy I'm running with a 1000 so spinnig up is pretty easy to do on it even with good tires. I like your explanation Kawi jm. You hit the nail on the head I think.
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yeah I talked to you yesterday about them to, but was getting a feeling about what everybody else thought to. Thanks Tony. Now get back to painting my fairing. Can't wait to see it and check it out on my next track day.

Oh an BIGcomfy I'm not using tire warmers yet. They are in the works after my fairings are done. Maybe next month I'll have them. Yeah Andy I'm running with a 1000 so spinnig up is pretty easy to do on it even with good tires. I like your explanation Kawi jm. You hit the nail on the head I think.
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You don't plan on using tire warmers on street tires do you?

This was a question I got answered about 50 times over when I asked if it was wise to use them on street rubber. Turnes out, it's a bad idea.

Just wanting to help out I guess.........

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You don't plan on using tire warmers on street tires do you?

This was a question I got answered about 50 times over when I asked if it was wise to use them on street rubber. Turnes out, it's a bad idea.

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I'm curious who said it was a BAD idea to use warmers on street tires? It isn't nessasary, but it will not hurt the tire.
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no I was going to use them on the Pro series tires. I've basically heard the same. It want hurt a street tire to use warmers, but is not neccessary because they warm up so fast. I do have a question about warmers though now. How hot do you run them. For instance the woodcraft ones and others have two settings. One up to 130deg and the other 170deg. I suppose the hotter the better. What's the rule on this?
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I'm curious who said it was a BAD idea to use warmers on street tires? It isn't nessasary, but it will not hurt the tire.
Ok, maybe the word bad was a little out of context on what I was really trying to say.

It might not be a bad idea, but like you said, it probably wouldn't help. I'm not a tire expert, I'll leave kawi jm to explain the specifics to the masses, he can fight off the hordes for himself!

But as far as I know, from what I've been told, using warmers on street rubber could cause the tires to get a little......slick? But I assume if you had a decent set of warmers where you can adjust the temp, that wouldn't be much of a problem.

But correct me if I'm wrong.........I'm honestly new to the theory behind understanding tires. All I've done until lately, is worry about tire pressure. So, I'm always looking for more insight!

Sorry if I confused anyone with the whole BAD idea post.......

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a single temp warmer will work fine.

if you have the multi temp one.....i would use low heat for hotter days, high heat for colder days.....and if you have 3 adjustments....i usually use the hottest temp for about 30-45 minutes before i get on the track, then maintain with medium temp throughout the day.
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But correct me if I'm wrong.........I'm honestly new to the theory behind understanding tires. All I've done until lately, is worry about tire pressure. So, I'm always looking for more insight!

Sorry if I confused anyone with the whole BAD idea post.......

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race or street tires can be confusing since almost every company has different variables to work with.

tire pressure is the key to a properly operating tire. when you go to race tires, you gotta constantly check the tires before going on the track, and coming in from the track. some brands are sensative to being off by 1/2 lbs.
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The chickenhawk warmers single temp warmers run at 175F deg. I put mine on in the morning and leave them on all day. A race tire operates at a much higher temp than 175, so leaving them on the warmers is not going to hurt them.....I must clairify, I am talking about Bridgestones here. I usually set them cold at 28 front / 25 rear. Get them on the warmers. I try to have a hour on the warmers....try. Then check them on the warmers before I go out. I'm looking for 30 front / 28 rear. HOT on the warmers. I then know they are at approx. 175 deg. I can also probe the tire, with my temp gauge, but everyone does not have that ability. Once off the track, I check them immediately. Looking for 31-32 psi front & rear.
I'll do this for the first two sessions. If I am getting consistent results, then I just ride the bike and put the warmers back on in between the sessions...on high.

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