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Old 02-29-2008, 09:33 PM   #61
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you are basing this on a factory speedo, that has never been calibrated. any vehicle that use to pace vehicles has to be calibrated every year.

anyway I'm done with it. Hire Paul Kubosh and set it for a jury trial. Hopefully he will know the officer and they'll work out a "deal."

Heres that "deal".

We get paid OT for any off-duty court appearances. Just like any other job we expect to get paid to come to work when we are off.

I get paid if the case gets dismissed, if you lose, I win, it dont matter. We make the money based on time, not the cases. Most officers could care less. about who wins the case. I dont.

So you hire your atty. An officer may be really cool with your attorney, or most of the regular players in traffic court. (Kubosh, Sprecher, Gonzalez, etc).
You atty agrees to hold your case till after lunch, so the officer will most likely get his 6-7-8 hrs of Court OT. then towards the end of the day when the officer and atty are tired and have made enough money, you deal is magically worked out or dismissed.

People think they have these so called "good lawyers", when in fact its all a game. The officers make money, your lawyer makes money, and you get ****ed. the lower income get ****ed even more.

So fight it in court, everyone will make money on it except for you.

dude no offense but aren't you taking all this a little personal? He explained a set of circumstances that happened to him. easy greasy....make love not war.
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Old 02-29-2008, 09:35 PM   #62
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dude no offense but aren't you taking all this a little personal? He explained a set of circumstances that happened to him. easy greasy....make love not war.
i dont get offended. I just wanted to explain how it all really works.
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you are basing this on a factory speedo, that has never been calibrated. any vehicle that use to pace vehicles has to be calibrated every year.

anyway I'm done with it. Hire Paul Kubosh and set it for a jury trial. Hopefully he will know the officer and they'll work out a "deal."

Heres that "deal".

We get paid OT for any off-duty court appearances. Just like any other job we expect to get paid to come to work when we are off.

I get paid if the case gets dismissed, if you lose, I win, it dont matter. We make the money based on time, not the cases. Most officers could care less about who wins the case. I dont.

So you hire your atty. An officer may be really cool with your attorney, or most of the regular players in traffic court. (Kubosh, Sprecher, Gonzalez, etc).
You atty agrees to hold your case till after lunch, so the officer will most likely get his 6-7-8 hrs of Court OT. then towards the end of the day when the officer and atty are tired and have made enough money, you deal is magically worked out or dismissed.

People think they have these so called "good lawyers", when in fact its all a game. The officers make money, your lawyer makes money, and you get ****ed. the lower income get ****ed even more.

So fight it in court, everyone will make money on it except for you.
So dose it make you feel better knowing that you or the other peace officer is getting some one f'ed over in court? Just wandering?
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Old 02-29-2008, 09:40 PM   #64
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So dose it make you feel better knowing that you or the other peace officer is getting some one f'ed over in court? Just wandering?
i didn't create the municipal court system. I've never written a ticket to anyone who didn't deserve it.

So no , I'm not f'ing over anybody. I'm out here trying to make money and do my job like anyone else on here.

Your question really should be addressed to city council, not me.
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i dont get offended. I just wanted to explain how it all really works.
well I learned a couple of things....I am sure a few MH members have too. I am concerned about their days events cause it could happen to me and everyone else very easily. Like I said it will be interesting to see the outcome of all this.
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you are basing this on a factory speedo, that has never been calibrated. any vehicle that use to pace vehicles has to be calibrated every year.

anyway I'm done with it. Hire Paul Kubosh and set it for a jury trial. Hopefully he will know the officer and they'll work out a "deal."

Heres that "deal".

We get paid OT for any off-duty court appearances. Just like any other job we expect to get paid to come to work when we are off.

I get paid if the case gets dismissed, if you lose, I win, it dont matter. We make the money based on time, not the cases. Most officers could care less about who wins the case. I dont.

So you hire your atty. An officer may be really cool with your attorney, or most of the regular players in traffic court. (Kubosh, Sprecher, Gonzalez, etc).
You atty agrees to hold your case till after lunch, so the officer will most likely get his 6-7-8 hrs of Court OT. then towards the end of the day when the officer and atty are tired and have made enough money, you deal is magically worked out or dismissed.

People think they have these so called "good lawyers", when in fact its all a game. The officers make money, your lawyer makes money, and you get ****ed. the lower income get ****ed even more.

So fight it in court, everyone will make money on it except for you.
Not trying to bash or anything but this is the impression I get from what you wrote. My sister is in law inforcment.
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The sad part about it, is this is our Judicial system we are talking about. It is all about the $$$$$.
criminal court is the same way. except the state and county don't make money trying criminal cases.

The only cases I go to trial on are from people who can afford to hire attorneys. I arrest few white people yet all my trial cases in criminal court are with them. I arrested far more ________(<--insert minority of choice here) and never go to trial on those cases. They all plead out on deals because they cant afford lawyers or get lower paid ones that don't want to go to trial.
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Not trying to bash or anything but this is the impression I get from what you wrote. My sister is in law inforcment.
who else am i supposed to talk about? i guess i need to type in third person so that none one gets their feelings hurt when the truth gets told. I can only relay my personal experiences. I cant speak for your sisters law enforcement experiences.
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criminal court is the same way. except the state and county don't make money trying criminal cases.

The only cases I go to trial on are from people who can afford to hire attorneys. I arrest few white people yet all my trial cases in criminal court are with them. I arrested far more 97900rr01f4i(<--insert minority of choice here) and never go to trial on those cases. They all plead out on deals because they cant afford lawyers or get lower paid ones that don't want to go to trial.
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Yep I know, a friend of mine is a criminal attorney. One of houstons finest, Robert Fickman. He does a lot of criminal and federal law. The sad part is it is all about the money and who you hire to represent you goes a long way. Kind of like the saying goes it is who you know and how much money you have.

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you are basing this on a factory speedo, that has never been calibrated. any vehicle that use to pace vehicles has to be calibrated every year.

anyway I'm done with it. Hire Paul Kubosh and set it for a jury trial. Hopefully he will know the officer and they'll work out a "deal."

Heres that "deal".

We get paid OT for any off-duty court appearances. Just like any other job we expect to get paid to come to work when we are off.

I get paid if the case gets dismissed, if you lose, I win, it dont matter. We make the money based on time, not the cases. Most officers could care less about who wins the case. I dont.

So you hire your atty. An officer may be really cool with your attorney, or most of the regular players in traffic court. (Kubosh, Sprecher, Gonzalez, etc).
You atty agrees to hold your case till after lunch, so the officer will most likely get his 6-7-8 hrs of Court OT. then towards the end of the day when the officer and atty are tired and have made enough money, you deal is magically worked out or dismissed.

People think they have these so called "good lawyers", when in fact its all a game. The officers make money, your lawyer makes money, and you get ****ed. the lower income get ****ed even more.

So fight it in court, everyone will make money on it except for you.

Well this is certainly different. Most officers wont admit that it IS a game and will argue that its never about the money. Just doing their job
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it is doing their job, we all speed we all break the laws, so what if you get popped once in a while. its the price we pay for being "in the game" as so many youngins like to call it.

it's a racquet(sp?), deal w/ it, lawyer up or pay the fines, it's simple really. we break laws all day long then whine we gotta pay the piper.

he takes offense, cuz he works w/ these dudes day in and day out, then comes on here and reads about "how fast have you gone w/ a passenger" anybody say 65 nope everyone has been .


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ok then...

well racerx msf aside, i for one would like to thank andre3k for taking the time to tell (very accurately) how things are downtown...

as a person who has gotten out of 30+ tickets over the years - believe me when i tell you that andre3k really IS just telling it like it is... (so don't shoot the messenger)

the details of THIS case aside sb, i still think your best bet is just to get a lawyer and wait for your day in court...

because out of all the pages we we type here, ultimately none of it matters as much as having a good lawyer...

thanks again andre3k... i'm sure there are a lot of riders who have learned something from all this...

good luck again to sb, mala and the other rider...

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it is doing their job, we all speed we all break the laws, so what if you get popped once in a while. its the price we pay for being "in the game" as so many youngins like to call it.

it's a racquet(sp?), deal w/ it, lawyer up or pay the fines, it's simple really. we break laws all day long then whine we gotta pay the piper.

he takes offense, cuz he works w/ these dudes day in and day out, then comes on here and reads about "how fast have you gone w/ a passenger" anybody say 65 nope everyone has been .


wah wah wah.

I dont argue with this, or with what andre3k is sayin. The people that know me on this board can attest to the fact that I pay my tickets with out crying about it. Lord knows I payed my dues last year . I speed, get caught, pay the fine, end of story.

All I'm saying is that I've read time after time on other threads, not necessarily this board, that its never about making money. The city does not make money. The courts do not make money..bla blah blah. When in fact, just as he stated IT IS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY and not always about public safety.
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it is doing their job, we all speed we all break the laws, so what if you get popped once in a while. its the price we pay for being "in the game" as so many youngins like to call it.

it's a racquet(sp?), deal w/ it, lawyer up or pay the fines, it's simple really. we break laws all day long then whine we gotta pay the piper.

he takes offense, cuz he works w/ these dudes day in and day out, then comes on here and reads about "how fast have you gone w/ a passenger" anybody say 65 nope everyone has been .


wah wah wah.

Riiight. So by your logic, we as bikers, can never get a break huh?

I understand, speeding is speeding, period. I dont fight that fact, but to fudge an alleged speed so the big wigs get more in thier pocket at the end of the day, seems a little chickenshit to me. Have I sped before? Sure, who hasn't? But like andre3k say's, no matter what, it's the defendant who loses. I for one, dont believe that laurie and steve and sbfuller were speeding with intent to evade the law, like me....:, but I think it a little fcked up that if they were moving 5 - 8 over the speed limit, why not write a ticket for that speed? By your deduction, the cop can write whatever the fck he wants, and is allowable within the means of the law.


I honestly dont know where you base your logic from sir, but I can pretty much gurantee, one of these day's, your going to get your's in the end too....


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ok then...

well racerx msf aside, i for one would like to thank andre3k for taking the time to tell (very accurately) how things are downtown...

as a person who has gotten out of 30+ tickets over the years - believe me when i tell you that andre3k really IS just telling it like it is... (so don't shoot the messenger)

the details of THIS case aside sb, i still think your best bet is just to get a lawyer and wait for your day in court...

because out of all the pages we we type here, ultimately none of it matters as much as having a good lawyer...

thanks again andre3k... i'm sure there are a lot of riders who have learned something from all this...

good luck again to sb, mala and the other rider...
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but I think it a little fcked up that if they were moving 5 - 8 over the speed limit, why not write a ticket for that speed?
dunno how much you get around texas, but just west of south padre island, there's a little town that where the police will write you a ticket for going 1 or 2 mph over the speed limit...

and get this - it will effin stick... i kid you not...

so if they were speeding... then well... they were speeding...

68... 80... doesn't matter... the only valid arguement you can give back is:

"I WAS NEVER SPEEDING"

but it doesn't stop with that - b/c even then, you have to be able to disprove the officer (who's job it is - to make absolutely certain you were speeding before giving you a ticket)... nevermind that they are legally considered experts on traffic violations...

again, best bet = lawyer or don't speed...
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And I understand henry, very valid point. But I mean, why not write them a ticket for 68 in a 60, instead of 80 in a 60? :/:
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