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Old 01-29-2008, 10:48 AM   #61
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Brandon is not a noob. He's just looking for pointers from people that actually have some track experience. He probably has about 10K miles under his belt the past 12 months. I know there are riders that have more and riders that have less miles under their belt. Eveyone's perception of a noob is different...

but I would rather have Brandon on a ride than someone I dont know trying to pass me on the inside of a blind turn or trying to haul like speed racer. Been on those rides and seen 'em go down in all thier badass glory.
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Was not me that said to do double or triple the posted speed. I agree, that can be bad advise. I say take the corner at what you are comfortable with and go from there. And yes people have to remember that things can be unpredictable on the street like blind curves and dead dogs etc.
I'm not trying to be a jerk, have fun, but be careful out there....there's way too many rider down threads on this site...I just hate to see anyone get hurt.


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Brandon is not a noob. He's just looking for pointers from people that actually have some track experience. He probably has about 10K miles under his belt the past 12 months. I know there are riders that have more and riders that have less miles under their belt. Eveyone's perception of a noob is different...

but I would rather have Brandon on a ride than someone I dont know trying to pass me on the inside of a blind turn or trying to haul like speed racer. Been on those rides and seen 'em go down in all thier badass glory.
+1 I've seen those guys go down too because they think they are gods gift to riding.
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That section of the Toll Rd. is nice at those hours. Might have to hit it one Sun. night on the bike.
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This pretty much describes what I do best, I wait until I can see the exit then I begin to increase speed (depending on the turn of course). But sometimes I feel that I've slowed down to much. From what I've been reading I think it's just something that's going to come from more experience and practice.

Since you are an avid Vlogger do you have video of the turns roads your having problems with, etc?
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im NOT saying put it into the trips in all the corners....but i AM saying i could see it being done...

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someone on this forum made this so....im totally not taking credit for it....but its still hillllllariously true!
Totally OT, but we'll be there in April. Thats the Tree of Shame at Deals Gap, for those that don't know.

Best advice for cornering speed on the street is to leave the Ego at home, and ride your own pace, whatever YOU are comfortable at.
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Totally OT, but we'll be there in April. Thats the Tree of Shame at Deals Gap, for those that don't know.

Best advice for cornering speed on the street is to leave the Ego at home, and ride your own pace, whatever YOU are comfortable at.
OT again. I was there last october if you need any routes I've got some great ones with very little traffic or occifers.
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i didnt even read this whole thread cause the first post made me want to NOT RIDE with you ever.

go to the track.
That has got to be the most ignorant thing I have read here. They guy obviously wants to learn but your so awesome at riding that he cant ask a question without gettting bashed?

I've seen him ride and he is very conservative. U ride your own ride reguardless of being left behind or not.

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Good advise? LOL...tellin' guys to go at least double, even triple the posted speed into a blind curve on a public road?

Looks like dangerous advise to me....I'll pass on any group rides with ya'll too.
What is so "dangerous?" You ride your OWN RIDE. Period. I would rather not have anyone go ride with me if they were afraid of there own skill (OF LACK THERE OF) cause that puts me in danger too. If U dont know what you're doing. Just STAY ur happy a$$ at the house. K. Thanks

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Some of you are blowing this out of proportion. I know my limits and I do not push them. I simply wanted to find out how others get setup when entering a turn. Perhaps I worded the originial post incorrectly or badly that you misinterpreted it. The point I was trying to make was that when I enter into some turns that I have been through a dozen times or more. I find myself half way through the turn and the bike gets stood straight up because I'm not going fast enough. I feel that the problem comes from my entrance speed or setup.

I do not ride at night very often if at all. I've only rode at night once and that was when I went to a M&G. I also do not ride in the 'city' unless I absolutely have to and even then I take the beltway when I can. I mostly ride north/northwest (forest, 3090, 362, etc). I've been through there more than 100 times since I got my bike in May 07.

I can understand why some of you were put off by my originial post, but I am NOT the kind of rider you are thinking of. As mentioned I am very conservative and tend to fall to the back of the pack fairly quickly on group rides. I have no ego problems and could care less if I'm the slowest person. I'm not looking to PUSH myself into a bad situation I was just looking for a few opinions from others. It's not a race for me, it's a hobby.

Negative posts do not help a community like this, if you have no positive input or constructive criticism then keep it to yourself. Not everyone here has the means to goto the track. I certainly don't have the ability to goto the track every other week. But I know the track is where I can improve the most and I am attending a track day on 03/08 as mentioned.

Anyways I got the answer I was looking for, it's just going to take patience and more experience. Basically the same as what I have been doing all along, but maybe push a little more in a few areas that I am familiar with. I also understand that body position plays a big part in cornering and I've been working on that also.

Thank you everyone for your input, I'm sure others will be able to reference a few posts here anyway.
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....Negative posts do not help a community like this, if you have no positive input or constructive criticism then keep it to yourself. Not everyone here has the means to goto the track. I certainly don't have the ability to goto the track every other week. But I know the track is where I can improve the most and I am attending a track day on 03/08 as mentioned.
well put sir. i hope you are a man of your word.....and really do ride your own ride.

it's better to be in the back of the pack, then to be scraped off the floor and thrown in the meat wagon. that's how i see it.
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Since you are an avid Vlogger do you have video of the turns roads your having problems with, etc?
I do have some video of the roads but from the helmet cam with wide angle view you can't really see everything. I've watched the videos a few times and it just doesn't look the same.

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well put sir. i hope you are a man of your word.....and really do ride your own ride.
I usually let everyone go ahead so I can sit back and ride at my own pace. I'm just out there to have fun and enjoy the ride.
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FWIW, I've never been to the track, and I started riding street since mid 80's. Once I got active on motorcycle forums, and with the rising popularity of track days, it has peaked my interests, and I am very excited about experiencing my first track day on March 8.

With that said, and from what information I have been absorbing on these boards, i have no doubt that doing a trackday will improve my skills, and probably bring to light any bad habits I likely developed in my 20+ years on the road.

Before "track days", it was all about riding smooth. Smooth in, then smooth out. Riding on the streets was far different than riding on the track (when we referenced racers vs. street riders). In fact, I was always told that if we were dragging knees on the streets, then we were actually riding stupid, since there's no reason to be dragging knees on the street. In fact, dragging knees slowed you down (on the streets). There are too many variables, and no constants in taking one corner one day, and taking that same corner the next day. Therefore, being fast on the street (vs. the track), meant being all about smooth. The track (from what i was told) was more about fast in, brake hard, turn in, throttle steady, fast out... or something along those lines. Again, for street, we just need to be smooth and steady throughout. In fact, I was once told that if a rider is dragging his knee on the streets, then he's actually riding slower than the street rider who's riding smooth from one turn to the next. It allows for more response time should an obstacle appear, and more reserve in your traction for the same reasons. In fact, on group rides, I tend to stay to the back of the faster group, and concentrate on being smooth. When the turns come, the brake lights come on. I practice to stay just as far back as i need to be, so that by the time I arrive at the turn, i had caught up the the last rider in the line, then I go in smooth, then focus on that until I exit the turn. My focus is to be right on them at the exit, as they accellerate hard down the straightaway to the next turn. Again, my focus is to stay smooth rolling the throttle, hopefully timing my accelleration and speed right so that by the time they hit the brakes going into the next turn, i would again "fall in line' right behind the last rider. If anything, it's alot of fun rather than just riding fast and hard along with everyone else.

It's worked for me in all those years, but I'm definitely looking forward to learning more when I hit the track. I'm sure it will help me be smoother on the streets, but not because i will take those newfound skills and literally ride the streets like it's now the new track, but because I hope to take those new principles I learn, and apply them, in theory, to applications on the streets.

I am more impressed when I see a rider being smooth as silk on the streets, whether they ride a sportbike, a cruiser, or a Gold Wing, then some hotshot riding too fast and dragging knee.

Short story: I was in the Hill Country once, and i saw in the horizon, ahead of me, a motorcyclist descending the same road, around the cliff's edge. I had to stop, pull over, and just watch this guy as he got got closer and closer, disappearing behind the rocks, then reappearing in such a smooth, smooth, SMOOTH, manner that I was almost mesmerized! Seriously, I think I heard a "hallelujah" and Jesus himself was on that bike!! /jk As he got closer, I realized he was on a new Gold Wing as he "swooshed" right by me. I kept watching him as he disappeared in the distance. You had to see it, but to me, THAT'S what riding on the streets is all about.
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Good post Rob. I always liked riding "The Pace" style, and don't even use the brakes much. All that banzai-ing down the straights and hammering the brakes is for the track.. I would rather ride at 80 or so all day and enjoy it. The guys I ride with actually speed up for the corners and slow back down in the straights.

There is a place for hanging off a little on the street; you can keep the bike more upright and have options to change your line mid corner to dodge those holes and squirrels.... but not to the point of dragging knees.
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That has got to be the most ignorant thing I have read here. They guy obviously wants to learn but your so awesome at riding that he cant ask a question without gettting bashed?

I've seen him ride and he is very conservative. U ride your own ride reguardless of being left behind or not.



What is so "dangerous?" You ride your OWN RIDE. Period. I would rather not have anyone go ride with me if they were afraid of there own skill (OF LACK THERE OF) cause that puts me in danger too. If U dont know what you're doing. Just STAY ur happy a$$ at the house. K. Thanks
LOL...it has nothing to do with "lack of skill" or being "afraid of their own skill". Advising someone to take a blind curve at digit speed on a public roadway is just plain dumb a$$ advise...I'll GLADLY ride alone and keep my happy a$$ away from dangerous riders.
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