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Old 09-08-2005, 10:58 AM   #1
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Michelin Pilot Powers

I had my first track day and had some issues with tire wear. I use pilot powers, which are a wonderful street tire. So I took them to the track. On the street I run high cold pressures to keep the wear down (36+ psig), which works well my last set lasted 9k miles. When I was in the pits guys suggested to run 29 psig front and back. Before the first session I got them to this pressure and ran like that all day, hot pressures climbed to around 34-35 psig.

During the day the tires stuck like glue, I was in heaven. As the day wore on I kept an eye on the tread. My back tire did fine but my front was getting cooked. Marbles all over the place, I could peel the rubber off in spots at the end of the day. The front was so bad I had to sand the globs off before commuting that week. They've gotten back to normal and are fine for street duty now.

I saw a lot of guys using warmers all day, but seemed like most of them were using DOT race compounds. I hear many conflicting reports (warmers to cut heat cycling, etc), was hoping those of you with experience could give me some advice on how to reduce the destruction on street rubber. I may get warmers one day but IMHO it's overkill for the point where I am now. I've heard that michelin suggests to run high pressures even at the track with these new Powers, and after shredding the front I am inclined to believe them. Suggestions much appreciated!
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Old 09-08-2005, 11:06 AM   #2
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Re: Michelin Pilot Powers

Heat blisters are fairly normal, i ran pilot powers on the 29 track day and they were great. My rear was at 34psi and the front was 35psi. This was measured about 40min after the first track session. Start to be worried when your tires get slick, from what I have seen and heard pilot powers seem to take the heat really well for a street tire for most riders.
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also sounds like your loading up the ft tire alot.
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was hoping those of you with experience could give me some advice on how to reduce the destruction on street rubber
track days eat tires... unless you're on a twin - but even then braking and cornering do their damage...

at some point (depending on your cornering speed/lap times/riding experience) riding on street tires at the track may not be a good thing... again - it depends (ed )...

but cooking the tires is pretty much to be expected... just be careful that those street tires don't get slippery on you out there... :eh:
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Re: Michelin Pilot Powers

The 'bubbles" on your front tire are actually remnants of other tires from the track, especially if they "peeled" right off. Happens all the time. Just ride it, they'll wear off no problem. One note: next time run your front at 31 psi. cold, 29 is a little on the low side for a front tire.

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cornering speed/lap times/riding experience) riding on street tires at the track may not be a good thing... again - it depends (ed* )...

contrary to what you think, i do believe race tires are needed at some point.......here's my simple opinion.

at TWS (Texas World Speedway) if your run

less then 2:00, then you prolly should be on race tires
2:00-2:10/15's race tires would be a good idea, but if your primarily a street rider then street tires
2:15+ street tires are more then enough......

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And use an accurate gauge. You have no idea how off some of those things people use are and it makes all the difference. *right:
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cornering speed/lap times/riding experience) riding on street tires at the track may not be a good thing... again - it depends (ed* )...

contrary to what you think, i do believe race tires are needed at some point.......here's my simple opinion.

at TWS (Texas World Speedway) if your run

less then 2:00, then you prolly should be on race tires
2:00-2:10/15's race tires would be a good idea, but if your primarily a street rider then street tires
2:15+ street tires are more then enough......

IMO *
Right on target it seems from my experience. When I dipped below 2:15 I started to have issues with my 208's. Especially in T2. Moving to the BT-002 let me set my best time so far at 2:00 minutes. right:

Of course they did not work to well when the track was green and the tires where cold. :laughing6:
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And use an accurate gauge. You have no idea how off some of those things people use are and it makes all the difference. *right:
Yeah, mine was horrible. I was lucky I had a kind person next to me to let me use their gauge.
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i heard i need race tires :dontknow:

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i heard i need race tires* :dontknow:

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What time you posting now?
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i heard i need race tires* :dontknow:

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What time you posting now?
first track day i was at 2:15 and not even dragging knee and strugling with body position.

last track day i had to get use to my bikes tuned suspension and improved somewhat my body position as you can see in my sig. dragging knee and all :dontknow:
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first track day i was at 2:15 and not even dragging knee and strugling with body position.

last track day i had to get use to my bikes tuned suspension and improved somewhat my body position as you can see in my sig. dragging knee and all :dontknow:
At TWS (Texas World Speedway) it seems the need for a good tire comes quick due to the speeds. I dropped about 8 seconds just putting a better tire and having more conficdence. Then correcting my lines with the new tires I dropped 7 seconds.... put me running around 2:00 ish...

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Re: Michelin Pilot Powers

I run a consistent 2:07 - 2:10 on street tires (Bridgestone BT014) and stock suspension... I figure I might as well learn to ride what I have as good as I possibly can then I'll make the jump to better tires and suspension. If I can't put a stock 600 to it's limits then there is NO WAY I can put race tires and race suspension to their limits.

Sure if I switched to BT002's and Ohlins/Racetech suspension I'm positive I could do a 2:00 lap... but I want to go about getting fast a different way. Learning how to ride what I have as best I can. :biggthumpup:
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I run a consistent 2:07 - 2:10 on street tires (Bridgestone BT014) and stock suspension... I figure I might as well learn to ride what I have as good as I possibly can then I'll make the jump to better tires and suspension.* If I can't put a stock 600 to it's limits then there is NO WAY I can put race tires and race suspension to their limits.

Sure if I switched to BT002's and Ohlins/Racetech suspension I'm positive I could do a 2:00 lap... but I want to go about getting fast a different way. Learning how to ride what I have as best I can. :biggthumpup:
You can make huge gains in your lap times at TWS (Texas World Speedway) in T1/T2.... It is pretty easy to find the limits of your tires there. Just running the BT-002 on my stock bike made a huge difference at the track. And as the saying goes... Track = Track Tire. right:
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Re: Michelin Pilot Powers

Moody, you mentioned running street 208's previously. I had lots of issues with those tires when I pushed them, especially relative to the pilot powers. Your comparative gains in feel and lap times may be partially from the low baseline you had with the dunlops.
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Moody, you mentioned running street 208's previously.* I had lots of issues with those tires when I pushed them, especially relative to the pilot powers.* Your comparative gains in feel and lap times may be partially from the low baseline you had with the dunlops.
I have owned Pilot Powers as well my friend. Track = Track Tire right:
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Moody, you mentioned running street 208's previously. I had lots of issues with those tires when I pushed them, especially relative to the pilot powers. Your comparative gains in feel and lap times may be partially from the low baseline you had with the dunlops.
I have owned Pilot Powers as well my friend. Track = Track Tire right:
All this pilot power talk made me want to watch that commercial they had a while back. Glad I saved it on my computer. rofl.
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Track = Track Tire right:
You know, I see where you're comming from... but I honestly don't think anyone (save for 1 or two here) can actually push street tires to their limits. Powers and BT014s are outstanding tires and for a 600 (that shouldn't be spinning the rear with good throttle control) they should suffice unless you're racing.

I'd like to get Jeff or Steve's (Macman) opinions on this one... right:
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