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Old 08-06-2007, 08:09 AM   #21
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i dont think someone would bite the had that feeds them that would be stupid.. and in that case blackballing isnt gana fix anything losing a friend would be more than enough... :confused1
For me, it was a different kind of thing. Sponsoring a rider (or team) that had no problem soliciting you for support and then neglects to even put your sticker on or list you as a sponsor... :confused1

Subtle reminders and supplying them with sponsor stickers and still no action.

They come back following years to expect support again, and get upset when they don't get it!

I'm with Patrick on this one, I have been more eager to throw my support to people who are new to the sport and truly appreciate your help.

Shops like Patrick's and Andy's are rare in this business. I think I exemplefied that in my little bio write-up. When I was coming in to the sport and when I started riding in the early '80s, shops seemed like they were just out to "get" you. Cycle Parts + was one of the only shops that I felt like I could trust then, and when one of the partners died, that shop folded up. Kawasaki of Stafford offered me support (on my Honda...) and I trusted them too. They folded up also.

See a trend?

This industry doesn't reward integrity or ethical business practices very well. It seems that the shady and less credible business in this industry are the ones that last the longest!

I thing we (riders and racers) are to blame partly... but it's getting better!

I am truly grateful to Patrick and some of our local shops for being credible and stand-up. I think that is a trend that is contagious, and I think that their ethical practices can/ will change the business!

Thanks guys!
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Excellent words on this kind of topic. Many of us may never know the true meaning of being a sponsored rider or sponsored anything for that matter but, I can personally speak on the topic that if you lose site of the people who are helping you, then those people will begin to lose site of you. I have personally seen professional careers go down the toilet because the individual forgot what loyalty meant.
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Think about Dave Mirra he was on top of the Bmx world and Haro dropped him becuase his attitude was shitty
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Subtle reminders and supplying them with sponsor stickers and still no action.

Thanks guys!

On this NOTE: I still need the RED -T- for my sticker mang!
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Excellent words on this kind of topic. Many of us may never know the true meaning of being a sponsored rider or sponsored anything for that matter but, I can personally speak on the topic that if you lose site of the people who are helping you, then those people will begin to lose site of you. I have personally seen professional careers go down the toilet because the individual forgot what loyalty meant.
What do you mean by loyalty? I think Motorcycles Unlimited and crew do a great job and are honest folks. If I ever need any major work done with my bike I'll send it up there for sure. Now, if I need to do an oil change (which I do myself 90% of the time) am I not showing loyalty if I purchase the filter and oil from somewhere else or if I have another shop perform the oil change??? If your answer is yes then I suppose that sometimes convenience can override loyalty.:eh: Nice write up Patrick
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Patrick, that reminds me when my parents had a car tuning shop in Germany where they sold lots of mods for cars as well. Actually, we had our own production (entire spoiler kits and rims).

Folks walked into the shop and my stepdad sat down with them for 2 hours telling them all the things they can do to their car and gave them a list of parts, etc. Only for them folks to turn around and find another place where they'd get it cheaper! Then, if something didn't work, they came back to him and asked how to fix it. My dad, knowing well that they would just go and fix it themselves if he told them, just lost his patience and yelled at them and kicked them out. Needless to say, he wasn't a good salesman but who can blame him.

Now, I would almost ask for charging it as 'consulting'. I mean, had he worked on a car (he also had a repairshop) in the meantime, he would've gotten paid.

It is hard to see this from a business owner's perspective for some folks, but it is rough out there. And it doesn't get easier, when folks take advantage of you only to be out for themselves. Bills gotta be paid on both ends at the end of the month.
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It's a sad thing but happens everyday in every business.
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I good and honest mechanic is hard to find. Example, I have owned Z cars most all my adult life...When I bought my first one, I could here some grinding coming from under the shifter...I called to check prices and took it in to a few shops...All of them tried to hose me for a few grand saying it was this or that. I went to a local shop called called Z Cars by Clark in Nashville. He told me it was a seven dollar shifter boot and it completely solved my problem. He made more $ on me in the long run because he received all my business plus the tons of referrals I sent his way.

My point, now that bikes are my thing I have found those same qualities in Patrick and the Motorcycles Unlimited shop. As long as I live in Houston they will always have my business. Thanks for having a great shop!

Now if I can only find a good attorney in Houston....
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I think Patrick is looking more along the lines of...
racer so & so in January says yes I'll run under your banner & support this year, running these tires, this suspension and wearing this gear. & the first race weekend comes around & BAM
He is on other tires, suspension & wear who knows what kind of gear.

IF you agree to a "deal" be it special pricing, free stuff....whatever. You don't just change your mind. A deal is a deal. I've seen more than one case where a racer will turncoat on a great deal that he already agreed to.
If you want to hold off and look for greener pastures then let all the parties involved know, but don't "take" the deal and keep shopping around. That just ties things up for no reason at all.

I think that is what Pat was trying to convey. Kind of a message to the up and coming racers on these boards. If you make a decision to go in one direction, stick by it.

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What do Sponsors offer Racers and Race teams other than discounted parts and service?
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Old 08-06-2007, 11:36 AM   #32
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John,
It's some what you said and more.
Most of the posts do a good job to reflect on the point I was trying to convey.

Fay's in particular hit home as well.

I can't count how many times I've sat down with someone, discussing in depth how to make their bike faster or handle better, or advising them on what fits and what doesn't only to see them at some point later.

Often times they're back because they had a problem installing the parts they bought somewhere else, or they weren't installed properly by someone else.

Don't even get me started about sponsoring riders / organizations.:eh:
(Note for the Drama Queens, I am not referring to MH)
You and I have both been there, as has Tom and anyone else that's been involved in the sport for a while.


I had been considering posting this thread since I found that scrap of paper I wrote so very long ago. I'm glad I did.


Although at times it may come across negatively, hopefully this thread will "enlighten" some people to support those that support them, not just my shop, but in general.



Like I said originally, I do it mainly because I love the sport, AND because there are many people who DO appreciate the support / return loyalty given.

To those people I wholeheartedly say;


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I think Patrick is looking more along the lines of...
racer so & so in January says yes I'll run under your banner & support this year, running these tires, this suspension and wearing this gear. & the first race weekend comes around & BAM
He is on other tires, suspension & wear who knows what kind of gear.

IF you agree to a "deal" be it special pricing, free stuff....whatever. You don't just change your mind. A deal is a deal. I've seen more than one case where a racer will turncoat on a great deal that he already agreed to.
If you want to hold off and look for greener pastures then let all the parties involved know, but don't "take" the deal and keep shopping around. That just ties things up for no reason at all.

I think that is what Pat was trying to convey. Kind of a message to the up and coming racers on these boards. If you make a decision to go in one direction, stick by it.

John
And, understand that your word (with a handshake) actually does mean something.

Great thread.
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What do Sponsors offer Racers and Race teams other than discounted parts and service?
It all depends on the level of sponsorship. A rider like Larry Meyers gets a bike, some suspension support and parts, plus tires (just an example, I don't know if that is exactly what he gets) for free or seriously discounted because he attends every race, usually podiums or gets close to it, and finished the season on the podium overall. Not to mention he does some national and regional AMA and/ or WERA events. This all equates to exposure for the product/ service.

Any racer can get rider support from some companies like Marrietta Motorsports or Lockhart Phillips. You only need to have a current license (not provisional) and fill out their paperwork before the season starts. Usually, the level of support varies depending on how well the rider does on the previous year(s), level of exposure they gain (press releases and magazine appearances), and the level of racing (local, regional and national series).

There are some who get free tires, some who get parts at cost, some who get parts at cost minus XX%, some who get services discounted XX%, some who get free services.

I like to give support to those that support our racing series. I may be able to shop around and get a different or "better" price, but I like to keep local businesses (who DESERVE my money) like Motorcycles Unlimited, Metric, SCRC, etc who support the CMRA around. It's just good for everyone involved.
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What do Sponsors offer Racers and Race teams other than discounted parts and service?
Depending on their level, I've negotiated 1/2 price helmets or boots from the distributors, free parts, brakes, tires, service, tuning, technical assistance, etc.

For the right racers, I've gotten free leathers, gloves, boots and helmets for my riders.

I've provided free transportation, parts discounted WAY below dealer cost etc.

I can think of at least 3 TMGP teams this year that EACH got a $250.00 store credit with us.

When I was the Dunlop dealer, we had some racers receive as many as 60 tires free.


The point being, even if it's something as large as a 60 tire support, or as seemingly as insignificant as answering the phone on Sunday to walk someone through a technical issue, it still has an intrinsic value.


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When I was living in California, I was big into R/C nitro road cars, racing them and what not. It was frustrating watching hobby shops one by one close down as they lost business to the internet. Where was I going to go to get advice, shoot the t and make friends? Sure I would end up paying more in the long run getting parts special ordered from them, but the personal face time and friendships are priceless in every way.

There were many heated debates on the forums about how LHS (local hobby stores) simply needed to lower prices if they wanted to compete ... these people just simply missed to point.

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What do you mean by loyalty? I think Motorcycles Unlimited and crew do a great job and are honest folks. If I ever need any major work done with my bike I'll send it up there for sure. Now, if I need to do an oil change (which I do myself 90% of the time) am I not showing loyalty if I purchase the filter and oil from somewhere else or if I have another shop perform the oil change??? If your answer is yes then I suppose that sometimes convenience can override loyalty.:eh: Nice write up Patrick
I think you missed the point. Do you have a professional career that is maintained by sponsorship?
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Depending on their level, I've negotiated 1/2 price helmets or boots from the distributors, free parts, brakes, tires, service, tuning, technical assistance, etc.

For the right racers, I've gotten free leathers, gloves, boots and helmets for my riders.

I've provided free transportation, parts discounted WAY below dealer cost etc.

I can think of at least 3 TMGP teams this year that EACH got a $250.00 store credit with us.

When I was the Dunlop dealer, we had some racers receive as many as 60 tires free.


The point being, even if it's something as large as a 60 tire support, or as seemingly as insignificant as answering the phone on Sunday to walk someone through a technical issue, it still has an intrinsic value.


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You've stood by us from day one, and for that we appreciate it!

Thank You for all your support Patrick!
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I think you missed the point. Do you have a professional career that is maintained by sponsorship?
Sure enough do, I go everyday and every other week they sponsor me by giving me a checkJ/K!!! Actually, maybe I did miss the point. I thought originally he was explaining through words of advice and experience that "we" should be obligated to in return bring all of our business there. I see now he was picking a bone with people he has given money, parts, etc. too and then been backstabbed later down the road by not advertising for him or even diregarding the fact that they he had helped them. Got it now....I think:eh:
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