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Old 05-01-2007, 09:30 AM   #41
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Originally Posted by vfracer-r
How much money do you think these track day orgs make anyway? Trust me, nobody is getting rich here.

I'm not sure which business you're referring to on your last sentence, but if you're referring to the track day orgs, you're getting a helluva deal!

If you don't think the bang for the buck is there, try renting out a track for yourself or buying a membership to a country club type track like Cresson.

All the patrons from yesterday will get to ride an event of their chosing at a later date- an exception, not the rule. None of this will make 100% of the patrons happy, making 95% of them happy is very acceptable.

Regarding the tracks, why should they reserve a date for a customer, exclude anyone else from scheduling that day, and then give them a refund for not using it? An auto club would probably not have cancelled for rainy weather, the track could still make money from them... so what should compell them to give motorcycles an "out" for weather?

Terms of service for all of these orgs state "rain or shine", that's the chance we all take.

Most of the time, orgs will be able to work with their customers (with whom they want to be happy), and can offer some sort of deal to for the weather- more often than not, the weather issues don't come until later in the day, when the whole afternoon is wet. Man, talk about some grumbling then!

It's a tough spot for organizers to be in. It takes a very savvy person to be able to keep his customers happy with adverse conditions and situations. Lucky for us, people like LSTD are doing this gig to solely promote the sport and provide time on track for riders Heaven forbid that they would start taking this on as a source of income or promote a major business, especially if you think it's expensive now...

Gettting your racing license and forming or joining an endurance team is another way to get all the track time you could possibly want too.

However, you could just complain about how "unfair" things are and be a nay-sayer about the "big business" track day promoters that have nothing on their minds other than making "big money", taking advantage of poor riders and bad weather. That's always a good avenue.

I'm sure I'll want to delete this post after that rant... maybe this'll bring the "edit" button back :icon_bigg

#1) I don't think any one is getting rich and I never indicated that I did.
#2) I was refering to other businesses that don't take your money 2 months in advance and then say tough it's raining now shut up or go home.
#3) I never said I don't think that trackdays are a bad deal, unless the weather gets bad.
#4) I indicated in a previous post that I tought that was an awesome thing for LSTD to do. (give rainchecks)
#5) The tracks should do that because they have down time occasionally and that would at least get someone out there who is now a happier customer for having the chance to get what he paid for.
#6) Those terms of service that say rain or shine is what I'm advocating that we try to change so that we don't take it in the shorts so bad when it rains
#7) That should read some of the time, I grant you that LSTD has been fair about this but not all of the orgs have been.
#8) I don't know why you are defending LSTD so hard I have'nt singled them out, I'm just wanting to better our lot in the scheme of things.
#9) Like many trackday people I am not interested in racing I just wanna play. It is the mindset that this is all about racing that needs to change.
For some of us it's all about fun with our toys.
#10) Once again I never used any thing like the term "big business" or "big money" you defend this like we should be thankful that we get screwed when it rains instead of trying to come to some compromise that benefits everyone.

Thats all I am seeking is a mutually beneficial compromise that will give us a chance to get what we pay for and the promoters and track mgmt their profit as well. If you want to attack me for that go ahead but it seems only reasonable to me that we can set things right for those who come later in this fairly new sprot of recreational trackdays.
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Old 05-01-2007, 09:38 AM   #42
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Lucky for the organizers and track management they can shrug their shoulders and say tough , Otherwise they would have lost some money.
Thank the riders were willing to take it in the shorts for their benefit.

I think it was your first post, in this thread titled "LSTD Trackday got rained out" that set the tone.

It came off as harsh.
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Old 05-01-2007, 09:53 AM   #43
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this thread turned into a "crash fest"
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Old 05-01-2007, 10:55 AM   #44
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[QUOTE=vfracer-r]When should they do that? At anyone in particular's convenience? What if that make-up date isn't satisfactory to the patrons? Then what?

Like I said I can't believe that there are zero open days on a tracks calender. Even if it is months later at least there is a chance the weather will be better.
If the rain check day is unsatisfactory then at least there was some effort made to make up for the situation. It would be better than just saying "too bad".

You're seeking mutual beneficial compromise by telling everyone "VOTE WITH YOUR WALLET!" Sounds like a war cry against those that are providing a needed service to us! You repeated that in 4 different posts, how is that trying to provide a solution???

I don't mean it as a "battle cry" so much as a means of exerting influence to change.


I don't understand why there are not more people that feel like things could be better and that we should try to make them that way. There seems to be no shortage of those fighting strongly to keep things the way they are even if it means we lose money, time and effort just cause mother nature doesn't cooperate.
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Old 05-01-2007, 11:25 AM   #45
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Originally Posted by CarbonR1
BIG THANKS to Steve, Jeff and Wade for their continued support to our Addiction.

It was awefull nice of them to give credits to those who paid to ride today despite the rainy conditions, Steve's relationship with the owners of Cresson is untouchable. Everyone was very happy to have recieved a full credit.

I know clyde was just as excited as everyone else including myself to ride today, it was a bit dissapointing to wake up to RAIN.

But we all left with a credit and unscathed bikes.
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Old 05-02-2007, 10:14 AM   #46
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As has been mentioned before, I'm sure the organizations could add weather insurance to the price of the trackday, but how many people are will to pay an extra $xx every trackday to cover the costs for the days that get rained out?

Or look at it from the track owners perspective, you are offering the facility on a certain date in the future but you can't control the weather. If you were going to lose income on the days that get rained out, you'd need to raise your prices for all track days to cover your fixed costs right?

Are you willing to pay more on average for your trackdays to have a refund guarantee on days that it does rain? Or would you rather pay less and just take your chances?
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You like working over riding? I mean I really doubt when you are an old man you are going to say to yourself "man I wished I worked more and did less track days." I really doubt it"
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