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Old 05-30-2013, 12:03 PM   #21
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Electric cars are fine and dandy, but they take a LONG time to break even vs. buying an equivalent sized sub-compact car. The cost difference between the Leaf and the Versa it is based on is at least $10k, and that's taking into account federal tax credit and all other incentives.

$10k buys a lot of gasoline. Even at $5/gal, that buys 2000 gals, which at 30mpg these subcompacts usually get will go 60,000 miles. At the current $3.25/gal, you will have to drive 100,000 miles just to break even. And that's assuming electricity cost nothing, which of course is not true.
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Electric cars are fine and dandy, but they take a LONG time to break even vs. buying an equivalent sized sub-compact car. The cost difference between the Leaf and the Versa it is based on is at least $10k, and that's taking into account federal tax credit and all other incentives.

$10k buys a lot of gasoline. Even at $5/gal, that buys 2000 gals, which at 30mpg these subcompacts usually get will go 60,000 miles. At the current $3.25/gal, you will have to drive 100,000 miles just to break even. And that's assuming electricity cost nothing, which of course is not true.
Not sure about what was taken into consideration (not argueing ur point)...im just trying it out..i lease for $198/ mo...i was spending ~500/ mo in gas for my truck...so, right off the bat, i can theoretically save ~3600/ yr...not to mention no oil to change which adds a little more...the range is only ~110 miles...est elec bill based on 1000 miles / mo and elec ~$0.12 / kw....it is not a good means of transport for a road trip, but it sutes my needs well for a 65 mile round trip to work...
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You are killing the planet you worthless hippie!

I am not really mad but electric cars are worse for the environment it is a fact!
Was this "fact" given on FOX news? Something tells me, you will be driving one with in 10 years LOL!!
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Was this "fact" given on FOX news? Something tells me, you will be driving one with in 10 years LOL!!
Not really, plenty of sources out there for that info. Hopefully in ten years you can go further than 75 miles.... Since you are leasing, it makes more sense, but to buy one, is just not that feasable. If one of those battery packs goes out there goes the savings. Also i dont think most people are going from truck to leaf.
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Not sure about what was taken into consideration (not argueing ur point)...im just trying it out..i lease for $198/ mo...i was spending ~500/ mo in gas for my truck...so, right off the bat, i can theoretically save ~3600/ yr...not to mention no oil to change which adds a little more...the range is only ~110 miles...est elec bill based on 1000 miles / mo and elec ~$0.12 / kw....it is not a good means of transport for a road trip, but it sutes my needs well for a 65 mile round trip to work...
I'm not dissing electric cars. I just don't think they make economic sense... yet. In time, they will.

Compare to a gas-guzzling truck, everything is bound to be better. My point was you could've bought/leased a Versa for less overall operating cost and have a car that you can use for more than just commuting.

Heaven forbid you have to change your job and end up with a 100-mile commute.

But, if you are happy with the Leaf, more power to you.
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True...we still have our morono and my bike...just trying something new...in a few more years, they will prolly be in the 200 mile range...one major reason i went for the lease was bc of the batteries...if they go out, u r screwed!!
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I'm amazed at how much batt technology has evolved in the past 2 decades, driven by the explosive growth of portable electronic devices.

Okay, may be I shouldn't say explosive... which is the reason lithium batt technology has not been widely adopted by the automotive industry. The Boeing 787 debacle doesn't help. But soon enough they will get it reliable and safe enough for soccer mom duty, and that will double, triple or quadruple the current range limits.
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Next time I stumble upon a chance at dishonesty I will remember to come here and post about it so people can get in on the action.
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Next time I stumble upon a chance at dishonesty I will remember to come here and post about it so people can get in on the action.
Dishonest? not hardly
Opportunistic? of course!

Big difference there. If you saw a 2011 Honda CBR600 with 500 miles (or equivalent deal) on Craigs List listed for $1,000 would you go straight there and buy it or would you call the seller and tell them their price is too low?

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Next time I stumble upon a chance at dishonesty I will remember to come here and post about it so people can get in on the action.
Huh? The retailer was, for all we know, offering his merchandise at a steep discount in order to bring in more business.
I understand that it is not right to take advantage of an honest mistake, but just as it is the responsibility of the consumer to do their homework to prevent being overcharged, it is the responsibility of the retailer to ensure that what they are charging is within reason given rate conditions. This guy failed to do his due diligence and as a result, lost money. It is a risk in any business. I'm not saying "'em", but its a harsh world and the only person who will protect you is you.
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Sorry feelings were hurt but I like to think that people are not hard up that saving a few bucks on gas is worth an ounce of integrity.
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Sorry feelings were hurt but I like to think that people are not hard up that saving a few bucks on gas is worth an ounce of integrity.
pfft

If I see gas for $1.35/gal, I'll be stopping. It's not place to decide why the price is so low.
It's not like people in New Orleans, looting after Hurricane Katrina. Nobody is stealing gas. If it's a mistake.. oops for the seller.
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