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Old 10-18-2011, 10:40 AM   #1
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Keeping front end down @ Wheelie Hill

http://www.hart-photography.com/phot...wImage=1434254

As the title says, how do the fast guys keep the wheel down when going over wheelie hill? As you can see I feel pretty tucked in with my weight over the tank, and short shift right before but when I get a good drive out of 3 it still comes up. Not worried about the wheel being in the air as much as I am about losing a few tenths of a second.

Can the experts please weigh in?
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This is probably totally wrong, but I end up taking weight off the pegs, and momentarily trying to lay on the tank a bit.
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Roll off the throttle
Stand up to get way over the front end
Drag the rear brake

Any 1 or combo of all those. Me? I lean forward and roll of a bit.
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http://www.hart-photography.com/phot...wImage=1434254

I didn't buy the pic from Mr Hart! He took some great shots! I hate to post pics without buying, but I will reward him after the season with a shot or two.
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Short shift
Roll off the throttle
Stand up to get way over the front end
Drag the rear brake

Any 1 or combo of all those. Me? I lean forward and roll of a bit.
thanks for your help! You were cooking out there this weekend!
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http://www.hart-photography.com/phot...wImage=1434254

I didn't buy the pic from Mr Hart! He took some great shots! I hate to post pics without buying, but I will reward him after the season with a shot or two.
why hate? that's more free hits to his webpage.
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why hate? that's more free hits to his webpage.
bc I didn't purchase it, and its stealing! He doesn't need hits to his website, he needs riders to buy pics! And I will after the GNF, just can't afford it right now with two race weekends back to back.
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Do you really lose a few 10ths riding over that brief point with a wheel just a bit up? I'm asking honestly - I don't know...
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I excel to the hill than just maintain a stready throttle over the hill and lean way over the tank if I'm trying to go fast thru there. I have a weight advantage over you though to keep the front down. Sometimes I short shift in the air to keep the wheel from rising anymore.
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Do you really lose a few 10ths riding over that brief point with a wheel just a bit up? I'm asking honestly - I don't know...
Yes there is time lost. Rather it's a tenth ot two tenths or more I don't know for sure. It's more wind drag, same as tucking in behind the windscreen. Some guys get under more than others and they are gaining time on the other guy.
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Yes there is time lost. Rather it's a tenth ot two tenths or more I don't know for sure. It's more wind drag, same as tucking in behind the windscreen. Some guys get under more than others and they are gaining time on the other guy.
holy , you're THAT fast that wind drag from a small wheelie matters. That is just crazy. (no sarcasm at all, I'm just impressed and a little shocked that things like that are taken into consideration)
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I ride an SV650 and it doesn't wheelie, guess I am in the wrong thread.
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Short shift
Roll off the throttle
Stand up to get way over the front end
Drag the rear brake

Any 1 or combo of all those. Me? I lean forward and roll of a bit.
on my R6 with this gearing, i short shift. when i had my 600rr, i leaned forward.
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drag the rear brake
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drag the rear brake
do you even remember how to ride?

so is the SV ready for the last round this weekend?
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holy , you're THAT fast that wind drag from a small wheelie matters. That is just crazy. (no sarcasm at all, I'm just impressed and a little shocked that things like that are taken into consideration)
You do realize that when racing every thousand of a second counts, right?

If you don't believe me search for the season finale of British Superbikes Championship. You'll see that 0.006 seconds were the difference from the champion and second place this year.
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You're doing it all wrong and asking the wrong question. It's NOT how to keep the front tire on the ground, but instead how to get BOTH tires off the ground. If you want to shave seconds off of your lap time, you need to get airborne. It's a well known fact that the higher you go, the thinner the air is, thus the less drag on your bike = better lap time. Ask any pilot, they'll tell ya.
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