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Old 03-28-2011, 09:06 AM   #41
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you intentionally shift like ?

Didn't say I did it intentionally, but happens.
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Old 03-28-2011, 09:09 AM   #42
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Blip shifting is a skill that everyone needs to forget about entirely. The fastest guys don't blip, blipping wastes rpm and time. You shouldn't let the tach fall far enough to NEED to blip.
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Jason Pridmore vs Ty Howard. Believe who you want.

Blipping is a time waster.

the person asking is riding track days. Suggestioning she should ride like pridmore is assinine. Pridmore with $1,500 slipper in his bike, btw.

Ever ask yourself why paddle shift cars like ferraris still blip? You think it's because it sounds cool?
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He is right. If you think about 2 things are lost when you blip shift.

1. Its harder to brake and because of this you are in essence coasting.
2. The RPMs that you are wasting during blip shifting could have helped you slow down.

Blip shifting is good for when you are first starting and aren't very smooth on the clutch. It keeps the bike suspension more stable and keeps mistakes from happening like releasing the clutch poorly and making the rear skip (which when you are new and going into a corner can cause some serious problems).

However when you are getting more advanced at the track using the clutch and engine braking going into a corner is a very helpful aid for hard braking. You would be amazed at how much later you can brake going into a corner using this technique.

Pridmore at his school has a really cool demonstration where he takes everyone and puts them by a corner while him and some of his instructors hot lap it to demonstrate their down shifting technique.

Its not for everyone and if you are comfortable blip shifting going into corners, do it. But it isn't necessairly the best or fastest way. Try a different approach you might just find it works great.
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the person asking is riding track days. Suggestioning she should ride like pridmore is assinine. Pridmore with $1,500 slipper in his bike, btw.

Ever ask yourself why paddle shift cars like ferraris still blip? You think it's because it sounds cool?
His technique works better on non-slipper bikes. I've actually heard the man say that he wishes he still had a non-slipper bike to demonstrate the technique on because a lot of new riders don't focus enough on rpm management because they think their slipper is going to do it for them.




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What I try to teach is this: When we initially roll off the throttle, too many of us wait too long to click our first downshift - hence we lose RPM. Say we are going down a 4th gear straightaway into a 2nd gear corner. If I’m @ 11,000 rpm with a redline of 14,000 rpm in 4th gear, couldn’t I theoretically go to 3rd gear without doing too much? Think about that - I clicked a downshift but I never had to blip. If I’m at 13,500 rpm then I will roll the throttle off a couple thousand rpm to allow the motor not to over-rev into the red zone. My throttle is closing but my RPMs are going up and working for me. Now that I have gone to 3rd gear the time I take to get down to 2nd is very short. I want to have all the RPMs that I can use to help slow the bike down while I am braking.

In essence he doesn't close throttle, pull clutch to bar, shift gear, blip throttle, dump clutch. He's actually accomplishing the first (if not more than one) WHILE he's closing the throttle. No blip. The RPMs come up without waisting time for the rpms to drop and then rise again, and possibly unsettling the bike with the act of blipping.

Now in the same article he does go on to say

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Where I do blip it is usually when I’m coming from a wide open 5th or 6th gear straightaway. Getting down to 2nd gear while heavy braking sometimes requires a blip as my RPMs are going down so fast it is needed.

But i'm just some slow guy with no schooling.

As to your comment about not riding like Pridmore cuz she's just doing trackdays.............practice doesn't make perfect, PERFECT practice does.
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That's true.

And the recommendation remains Assinine.
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wait.....wut? You look behind you in every turn?
Ya? I even stare at them through the turn. Sometimes i turn around and wave, mid-lean. I'm surprised you haven't heard of this tactic?
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And the recommendation remains Assinine.
Because the OP has only one trackday under the belt, and is the only person reading this thread? Come on dude.... at least 3 licensed CMRA racers have chimed in here, and an additional TMGP guy. This thread, and every thread ever created in the history of the interwebs, has more applicability than the first post.
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His technique works better on non-slipper bikes. I've actually heard the man say that he wishes he still had a non-slipper bike to demonstrate the technique on because a lot of new riders don't focus enough on rpm management because they think their slipper is going to do it for them.
Then he ought to do right by his students and ride a CBR600RR, it has no slipper.
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Then he ought to do right by his students and ride a CBR600RR, it has no slipper.
His school, at least when I went to it in '09, was sponsored by suzuki.
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Can someone define blip downshifting for me? I've gotten a little confused.
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its just blipping (quick twist) the throttle on downshift so the engine speed matches road speed after you release the clutch.
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I only recently started using the clutch to downshift as I was told by doing so ill up my transmission even though it felt smooth. I understand it now. When using the clutch to down shift I don't see the need for the throttle blip either, just feather the clutch a little. I've only rode a 600 though and I'm sure a 1k engine braking is much more stout thus the blip to keep the tire hooked may be necessary. I still prefer downshifting clutchless though
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You can "get away" with clutchless downshifts because your bike has a slipper clutch.
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You can "get away" with clutchless downshifts because your bike has a slipper clutch.
And even then, I likely wouldn't be doing clutchless downshifts anyway.
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I forgot how to blip because of the slipper clutch on my track bike.

I then bought an older bike without a slipper and when the rear would get squirrelly on downshifts I remembered why I needed to blip. (I learned at the Freddy Spencer school as part of his system at his race school 10+ years ago.)

I say every stop is a great place to practice blipping and get the feel of matching the revs to the real wheel. Once you do that, I figure you will have a good basis to decide either:

1) Hey, I love blipping!

2) I want to learn the Pridmore alternatives to blipping, or

3) I want a bike with a slipper clutch (they are, in fact, awesome!).

As for turning, see above. I think the most important thing is to look down the track/road for where you want to be. Don't focus on the place you are worried you will go if you don't make the turn.
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I have a slipper and I still blip. I feel I have more control that way and it's less wear on the bike.
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