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Old 10-13-2017, 01:03 AM   #1
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2017 liter bike shootout

Long awaited updates from Honda and Suzuki make it a landmark year for the big bikes.

All the magazines have now put in their comparisons, most recently Roadracing world had a good one.

It seems the R1 gets lots of consitent high praise. Also it seems Suzuki nailed it.

Honda seem to be a step off but recived high marks for light weight feel just held back by some false neutrals confirming teething problems to work out and higher cost of the group.

BMW, Aprilla, Kawasaki seem to be dead heat just on the heals of the yamaha and suzuki. Seems you can't go wrong with any of these.

So what are your favorites.?
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Old 10-13-2017, 05:43 AM   #2
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Got any links? Did they actually do timed laps?
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Well...

I prefer

The R1 obviously

Honda who?
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Well...

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The R1 obviously

Honda who?
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I have a paper copy of RR World magazine and they did timed laps. Don't remember tho
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The R1 obviously

Honda who?
Congrats on your 2017 R1
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I think I've read every review of the '17 liter bikes out there...twice. They're all saying pretty much the same thing...every single one of these bikes basically rocks.

When looking for my new bike this year I rode the R1M, the CBR SP, and the GSXr. Each of them had their own pros and cons. I like some things about some more than others, but there wasn't anything that jumped out that I hated about any of them. When the opportunity arose to get on the SP2 list, I jumped on it and gave up my research.

However since withdrawing from the list, I continued by test riding the RSV4 and S1000rr. Again, both great machines without anything I could identify that really turned me off.

This all said, my search came down to this...it was not what turned me off...it was what turned me on. I'm wanting to get into track days more as I go forward, and the RSV4 spoke to me in that regard more so than any of the others. And at least for me, it was the most fun, most inspiring, and quite frankly most raw experience of the bunch.

With the measurements between all the bikes being so small, that's what really sold me. The experience factor was huge on the RSV4...and I was sold.
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Great summary Nikofab, I too have a soft spot for the RSV, in the road racing world review I think it only fell short for lack of contingency / racer support and convertibility to race bike and for being the heavier bike of the bunch, although they mentioned several riders said it felt like the lightest. Otherwise it seemed like a favorite of the test riders.

Here are some links to other reviews online. They will differ slightly as there is not much to choose between any of these but the yamaha and suzuki seem to appear as front runners on more than one occasion.

https://www.cycleworld.com/2017-supe...review#page-32

Oddly enough for all but Bevo perhaps one review put the Honda ontop of the bunch, but I think they tested at a go cart track to make that happen .

https://www.sportrider.com/2017-japa...parison#page-9

Also intresting was this quck reference below, it shows the lot capable of nearly the holy grail 1hp per kg power to weight ratio mark, at least in European trim.

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/f...esults-in-mcn/

There was also an interesting sidebar in the Road Racing world review regarding electronically limited power output from some of the bikes they tested.

Suzuki and kawasaki were two of those which they suspected were, for environmental reasons, cutting out at lower revs and the power gains seen from cracking those limits were ridiculous. Suzuki went from 150hp to 182hp, and kawasaki from 158 to 183hp.
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Oddly enough for all but Bevo perhaps one review put the Honda ontop of the bunch, but I think they tested at a go cart track to make that happen .

https://www.sportrider.com/2017-japa...parison#page-9
Hmmmm, the base model CBR (no electronic Íhlins, factory quick shifter, or titanium tank all standard on the S1) had the quickest lap time. Pretty sure first across the finish line is the winner
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Great summary Nikofab, I too have a soft spot for the RSV, in the road racing world review I think it only fell short for lack of contingency / racer support and convertibility to race bike and for being the heavier bike of the bunch, although they mentioned several riders said it felt like the lightest. Otherwise it seemed like a favorite of the test riders.
The RSV was in the hunt (if not on top) in all the reviews I was able to find.

I had two major concerns: Reliability and dealer support/availability

The boards are always a great source for first-hand info, so I started scouring. On more than one occasion, Aprilia was referred to as the Honda of Italy (in terms of reliability). Having been a long-time Honda rider, that surely was of value to me, and eased my mind regarding that issue. The factory two-year warranty was a great selling point as well.

Dealer support is always an issue with boutique manufacturers. But that was addressed in the great relationship I've been able to foster with Brian at ISB, as well as the guys at AF1 Racing in Austin. Considering the bike will most likely always be in Houston or Austin (COTA)...or somewhere in between...I've got coverage there.
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