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Old 11-09-2018, 01:03 PM   #1
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Old 11-09-2018, 01:33 PM   #2
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Yes... Yes it is... And They call it ... A Ducati..
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Old 11-09-2018, 01:34 PM   #3
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I could personally do without the winglets though. I hope they made them so they can take be taken off
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Old 11-09-2018, 01:52 PM   #4
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WOW... 234HP with a race kit.. 221 stock.. street bike..
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Waay too much bike for my taste. Especially on the streets. For the track however, that's different story!
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I could personally do without the winglets though. I hope they made them so they can take be taken off
First dude that takes one to the track will break them off
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They wouldn't be on there if they didn't serve a purpose. If they're good for two seconds a lap, would leave them on?
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Saw that earlier... I'm just curious if anyone else thinks it's a bit odd that Ducati is shooting the whole cylinder in one year. I mean, the V4, V4S, V4SP, and V4R all at once. Ya know...didn't they usually space it out a bit a couple of years before the up-charged versions come out?
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They wouldn't be on there if they didn't serve a purpose. If they're good for two seconds a lap, would leave them on?
If anyone here was fast enough to make them worth 2 seconds a lap , said person would not be here.. Nough said..
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Old 11-10-2018, 09:00 PM   #10
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For 99% of people who buy this bike the only purpose is bling..
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I could personally do without the winglets though. I hope they made them so they can take be taken off
I wonder how they effect poppin a whoolie down the straight on your last lap...? or just goofing around on the freeway.... Flippidiedoodaa...???
First bike I saw them on was the Kawasaki H2 last year. Looks like a Batmobile with them fugly things hangin off it everywhere..... Looks like 4 on the Kaw.
But, if they didn't work I'm sure that of the several thousand degreed engineers that designed the bike someone sure would have said - guys, this is a bad idea.
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Wow. I suppose people don't quite understand what I'm saying. I won't argue against whether or not they do something positive for the handling of the motorcycle. But how about this. I can argue that they are dangerous. Especially for people who like to do wheelies. They are aerodynamic downforce when the bike is on two wheels but if you get those two wheels up I enough those wings are going to have the opposite effect and they will push the bike to totally flip. Obviously electronics and all are involved as well but just saying. The electronics could keep the front wheel on the ground to begin with. I'm talking strictly the way it looks I don't like it and it's not going to have a big enough impact on lap times that they would benefit me or the majority of people who would buy this motorcycle. Quite frankly the majority of people who buy this motorcycle will not even take it to a race track. I understand the benefits of the winglets. I never needed anyone to explain to me how if done properly they are a benefit. I am the other people who always wondered why they didn't have something on the motorcycle specifically designed for aerodynamics to begin with. My only complaint is that I personally do not like the way that they look and I also understand that for people who are not of the highest Echelon of racing they will do little to nothing. Even the best of the best Riders get very little benefit out of them.. Even the best are not picking up a second a lap. On another note. I also do not subscribe to the argument that simply because somebody is a professional at something (even engineering) that they always come up with the best ideas and the right ideas and that they don't do anything unless it works and it's functional.. having an education is great but having a degree does not mean that said person is even smart in that field. I know that's why off the subject line and I'm not specifically referring to Ducati engineers. That's just another argument in and of itself.
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Old 11-12-2018, 10:28 AM   #13
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Lol.. and just had to mention. To say that there were thousands of Engineers working on the aerodynamics for the Ducati panigale V4R .. that is well beyond even exaggeration
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My solution to everyone's problem with winglets. Including the real problems (it makes the bike much more physical to ride) ... active winglets. Body panels that pop out and act as winglets only when necessary. There you have it. The bike still gets to be pretty and you get to have your second a lot faster for MotoGP Riders. Maybe a hundredth of a second faster for all of us normal people
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I don't think I said there are thousands of engineers working on the aerodynamics for the Ducati Panigale.
I think I said "working on the bike" . . . but let me check, and if you've ever been to a motorcycle engineering department like where I worked, there are near a thousand in one facility. I guess you could include engineers from Kaw, Duc, BMW, Honda, Suz, Triumph, etc., etc., and they've all looked at wings, so not really an exaggeration. More like spot on. You don't have to be a gun barrel engineer to recognize that a 90 barrel prolly isn't a good design.
I think it's obvious that wings are meant for "They are aerodynamic down force when the bike is on two wheels, but if you get those two wheels up..............."? huh? I think if you get those two wheels up that's either called a jump or a bunny hop. Not sure what "I enough" is.
"specifically designed for aerodynamics to begin with"... This is "specifically" what fairings are design for. What the 773H did you think they were made for? A convenient place to put your MotoHouston sticker? In the early 50's they designed the torpedo fairing that was banned in the late 50s because the bikes became unstable at the now higher speeds. 75hp bikes were going almost 200 mph.
Last I heard, Winglets were banned from racing in 2016 unless they're integral with the fairing. The reason they were banned? FIM said it gave Duc "an unfair advantage" in moto gp. "Even the best of the best Riders get very little benefit out of them". Think again. The best are doing so well that the other manufacturers incorporated winglets.
Degreed engineers get hired to design bikes because . . . . well, their ideas are better. Why are they better? Because they have been educated in how to make things better. It's their freakin job to do better. It's their jog to design and engineer it better than the competition's educated, degreed engineers.

"I know that's why off the subject line...." I think you meant to say, "way" but I'm an educated, degreed motorcycle engineer and I know what you mean.
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But, if they didn't work I'm sure that of the several thousand degreed engineers that designed the bike someone sure would have said - guys, this is a bad idea.
Pretty sure you did. Guess I could be misunderstanding this
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Either Which Way. Ducati only employs approximately 1500 people in total
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I must congratulate you on knowing what I mean. Unfortunately I don't sit here and type out everything that I say because that takes ridiculously to long, I would prefer to have my phone interpret my voice. Unfortunately it does not get it right every time and I do not sit here and read over it for every little error it makes. I apologize. But I do think that we should quibble over people's spelling and sentence structure Etc because it is so productive...
Now to my point. Obviously this discussion is pointless because you're not reading/understanding (or something) what I'm saying. I start off by saying that "they are productive for aerodynamics" I even explained that I agree with their aerodynamic capabilities.. for some reason this goes in one ear and out the other when talking to you. So I guess I'm out because I can't type and you have reading comprehension difficulties. You also can't remember what you were saying in previous messages.. So whatever.. Not worth my time
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Could probably build this thing for $30k.

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