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Old 10-10-2017, 09:42 AM   #1
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Ready for level 2?!

...maybe... but I'm sticking at level 1 for now...

anyway, here's another "Instructor Analysis" video at COTA:

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Man , get out of L1 as quick as you feel comfortable to do so . You will pick-up all kinds of bad habits , going to L2 will make you faster in two track days .
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Work with instructors until you become more comfortable at the faster pace. You do not want to go out in L2 and be the guy that starts a traffic jam. Work with different instructors because they all have something to teach you. If you want to bump up just for COTA i would spend more time on line building and make sure they say OK.

Would hate to see you go out in L2 and have something scare you or worse have an incident. It is like the guy that crashes in round robin, you have plenty of time. Smooth is fast.
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Level 2 is the worse group. Such a wide variety of skill sets and egos. You have everyone from the person that just got bumped to level two from level one to Johnny badass who has been in level two for too long and thinks he's the winning every session.

Level one and three are the safest IMO. Once you get to level two, make sure to really focus on your lines, being predictable, staying within your comfort zone, and such. Then, GTFO of that mad house and get to the good stuff.

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Man , get out of L1 as quick as you feel comfortable to do so . You will pick-up all kinds of bad habits , going to L2 will make you faster in two track days .
I've just moved up to the faster pack in L1 two or three track days ago, so I figured I'll enjoy this moment for a few more track days before being part of the slower pack in L2.

But I do have to practice more passing, as that's something I still have to think a lot before actually doing it...
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Work with instructors until you become more comfortable at the faster pace. You do not want to go out in L2 and be the guy that starts a traffic jam. Work with different instructors because they all have something to teach you. If you want to bump up just for COTA i would spend more time on line building and make sure they say OK.

Would hate to see you go out in L2 and have something scare you or worse have an incident. It is like the guy that crashes in round robin, you have plenty of time. Smooth is fast.
Yeah, I always work with instructors on at least two or three sessions and write down their feedback.

I'd hate to be the rider causing a traffic jam.

I'll still do L1 in COTA in November. My plan is to finish my first year in track days on L1, and based on how I feel by the time next year's season starts, I'll decide whether I'll move up or not.
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Level 2 is the worse group. Such a wide variety of skill sets and egos. You have everyone from the person that just got bumped to level two from level one to Johnny badass who has been in level two for too long and thinks he's the winning every session.

Level one and three are the safest IMO. Once you get to level two, make sure to really focus on your lines, being predictable, staying within your comfort zone, and such. Then, GTFO of that mad house and get to the good stuff.

Happy riding!
Right, I've heard from a couple of instructors the same thing about level 1 and level 3 being the safest group, and level 2 being the worst. And that's being my observations, too.

It seems like L2 has the biggest number of red flags.

Ego seems to play a huge part in that: my wife and I noticed a huge number of L2 riders simply skip class altogether. Some of those are the ones either crashing or causing crashes. They do bad stuff on the track and don't get to be oriented in class by instructors.

Fortunately, this situation seems to be changing with Ridesmart tightening the rules on getting different colored stickers for each class session. As far as I remember, there were no red flags in the last two track days I've been to.

I do watch several videos from different riders at all levels, and it does seem like L2 is a bit of a zoo, scary at times, whereas L3 definitely looks smooth.

Well, I'm in no rush.

Thanks for the feedback, guys!
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Are you going to be at MSRH this weekend?

I had a look at some of your other videos on YouTube. Looks Ike you've been to COTA too much.

What I noticed is you were much better at MSRH and Cresson. Based on those I see no issue you coming to lv2. COTA is not a track to learn on. It's very counter productive in my opinon, I'd stay away from it until you are fast enough to use it otherwise even its corners are like straights and the turns that are there are made to trick riders not teach them.

MSRH is a good mix but even then things didn't click for me until I road a much shorter more curvey track at grandSport. Too bad we can no longer ride there, but after that next time I went back to MSRH it was night and day diffence. So I was happy to see you make the haul to Cresson, looked like a totally differnt rider than the one in the COTA vid above.

You can also do a lot in parking lot, making figure 8's and practicing braking, you can learn a lot about your bike and improve just doing low speed 25mph stuff, even getting off the bike quite a bit and working on transitions.

Last bit. Try not to focus on what others are doing are not going to class etc. The less you have to worry about the more you can learn on your own, If you haven't read Twist of the Wrist II yet then get a copy and read over the winter.
Bottom line seeing your other vids I'd have no issue sharing the track with you, so bump up next time you go back to one of those places.

Last bit how did you like riding in the rain back in June at MSRH. That was another thing that helped make things click for me, since then I've been known to go to my parking lot after a rain shower and play. See you at the track
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Are you going to be at MSRH this weekend?

I had a look at some of your other videos on YouTube. Looks Ike you've been to COTA too much.

What I noticed is you were much better at MSRH and Cresson. Based on those I see no issue you coming to lv2. COTA is not a track to learn on. It's very counter productive in my opinon, I'd stay away from it until you are fast enough to use it otherwise even its corners are like straights and the turns that are there are made to trick riders not teach them.

MSRH is a good mix but even then things didn't click for me until I road a much shorter more curvey track at grandSport. Too bad we can no longer ride there, but after that next time I went back to MSRH it was night and day diffence. So I was happy to see you make the haul to Cresson, looked like a totally differnt rider than the one in the COTA vid above.

You can also do a lot in parking lot, making figure 8's and practicing braking, you can learn a lot about your bike and improve just doing low speed 25mph stuff, even getting off the bike quite a bit and working on transitions.

Last bit. Try not to focus on what others are doing are not going to class etc. The less you have to worry about the more you can learn on your own, If you haven't read Twist of the Wrist II yet then get a copy and read over the winter.
Bottom line seeing your other vids I'd have no issue sharing the track with you, so bump up next time you go back to one of those places.

Last bit how did you like riding in the rain back in June at MSRH. That was another thing that helped make things click for me, since then I've been known to go to my parking lot after a rain shower and play. See you at the track
Thanks for taking the time to watch my videos and provide me feedback!

Interesting observations. Yes, I'll be at MSRH tomorrow, and would love to hear your feedback on specific points that make you think I did better at Cresson and MSRH than COTA.

I've actually felt I evolved a lot more at COTA. Not having to avoid bumps, seams, and stuff like that, and knowing there was plenty of runoff in case I needed it, made me feel more comfortable focusing solely on my riding.

I came out of MSRC 1.3 a little frustrated because I didn't feel like I evolved much my left-handers there (which is one of the things I've been having the most trouble with). I've been to MSRC 1.7 since then and think I did much better (hopefully will have videos up next week).

I'm signed up in L1 tomorrow and also for COTA in late November. I feel like I really need to get better at passing before moving up. I've been reviewing my videos and I see I hesitate a lot doing some passing that should be no-brainers. I need to get more comfortable with taking different lines as I pass other riders.

I have read both TOTW 1 and 2, and watched both videos (the second one I've watched 3 or 4 times so far). I've also read Total Control, and thought it was pretty good. Besides that, I've been reading tons of other material I found out there (really like www.lifeatlean.com).

I didn't like riding in the rain much at MSRH in June. I didn't skip any wet session and think it was a very good thing to do, but it felt there was no grip at all. Maybe my tire pressure was incorrect for that condition. I felt like I was stepping on eggs the whole time. Knowing how to feel the grip available is something I'm far from achieving, I think.

I've been meaning to hit a parking lot to practice some drills, but just haven't been able to yet.

I'll be in canopy #19 tomorrow. Make sure to come by so we can chat. And thanks for letting me know you'd welcome me in L2.
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Man , get out of L1 as quick as you feel comfortable to do so . You will pick-up all kinds of bad habits , going to L2 will make you faster in two track days .


Iíll get you there soon.
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oops, meant to say I'll get there soon ( auto correct).
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They call L2 "the thunder dome" for a reason.

Whenever you feel like you want to move up, just do what you do, keep your line and err on the side of caution. A lot of fast riders (and instructors) will make you better and the trouble makers, will keep you on your toes.
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They call L2 "the thunder dome" for a reason.

Whenever you feel like you want to move up, just do what you do, keep your line and err on the side of caution. A lot of fast riders (and instructors) will make you better and the trouble makers, will keep you on your toes.
Thanks for the feedback!

Talked to a few buddies and instructors at MSRH today and got some mixed answers. But bottom line is: I may be moving up soon. I'll be analyzing my videos and notes for today during the following days and will make up my mind about it.
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Itís really not too bad. Iíve learned to start away from the crowd if possible. Pitting in for 30 seconds to get the track to yourself doesnít hurt either.
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Itís really not too bad. Iíve learned to start away from the crowd if possible. Pitting in for 30 seconds to get the track to yourself doesnít hurt either.


Yup, good idea!
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To everyone who contributed to this thread (thank you!): after hanging out in L1 for another three track days, I've finally decided to move up to level 2B at COTA last weekend, and did just fine. I'll post videos commenting on my experiences in the last couple of days.
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To everyone who contributed to this thread (thank you!): after hanging out in L1 for another three track days, I've finally decided to move up to level 2B at COTA last weekend, and did just fine. I'll post videos commenting on my experiences in the last couple of days.

Nice! See you next year
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