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Old 07-30-2018, 11:54 AM   #1
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Finally, a legitimate reason for a Hog to weigh 3,000lbs.
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why would Harley do that? now the riders can't put loud pipes on that save lives?
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They'll sell you an aftermarket "Screaming Eagle" straight cut gear setup and an open motor cover for $2500. That will make the engine whine will be really loud.

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I really hope they succeed with this, but I honestly think it's too little too late. Are those engines in the non-electric bikes actually US made, or are they 975cc of Curry & Naan (delicious, but probably not a good marketing tactic)? They're alienating their core market and unlikely to pry most of us sport folk away from the established brands...and that's before you talk about real performance figures.
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Their core market is largely expected to evaporate in the next 10-20 years.
They are trying to create and attract a new core market.

You say they won't pry people away from the "established" brands but who's more established than Harley?

I think they are hoping that what remains of their bad boy, nostalgic image will translate into new buyers who want the Harley thing but in a more modern package. They've never been about performance but if they can blend some modern performance in with the brand image they have built over decades, maybe they have a shot.

Personally I think they might very well be doomed but I gotta give em props for stepping out of their comfort zone and taking a swing at the fences.
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Well, by 'established' I was referring to marques with a history in the performance and adventure, or , pretty much ANY segment other than the cruiser / touring / lead-sled / boat anchor market. But you're right, brand recognition goes a long way, regardless of what you're trying to do with it.

The Buell influence is deep in the chassis on those bikes. I wonder if they just jacked his lines, or if he was actually involved in the design.
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The Buell influence is deep in the chassis on those bikes. I wonder if they just jacked his lines, or if he was actually involved in the design.
I would guess that, since they had no qualms about Eric Buell, they would have no problems using his ideas right up to the limits where their lawyers said, "Stop here or you will have to pay him for his patents".

I would also guess that had they asked Eric Buell he would have said, " no! You can't use my ideas"!
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Their core market is largely expected to evaporate in the next 10-20 years. Or sooner.
They are trying to create and attract a new core market. That's what I was there for. FAIL

You say they won't pry people away from the "established" brands but who's more established than Harley?
I think they are hoping that what remains of their bad boy, nostalgic image will translate into new buyers who want the Harley thing but in a more modern package. They've never been about performance but if they can blend some modern performance in with the brand image they have built over decades, maybe they have a shot.
Personally I think they might very well be doomed I agree. but I gotta give em props for stepping out of their comfort zone and taking a swing at the fences.
I was right next to the Livewire guys. It's kind of a cool looking bike, but the biggest complaint the engineers had was the loss of energy through 90 gearing due to the axis of the motor.

The biggest complaint from test riders was the unpredictability in cornering and hard acceleration due to the axis of the motor. At different RPMs the torque has a BIG effect on lean angle. Even on the Yucca text track with known corners, a slight change in RPM changes the balance, but they couldn't predict how much. Accelerating in a left turn pushes the bike up, accelerating in a right turn pushes the bike down. Come into a chicane a bit faster/slower and that screws up every corner after that. Trying to adjust and make up for it is very difficult. Accelerating/decelerating in a corner makes the bike change angles that aren't related to the speed like the cross axis motor in Zero or a gas bike because now you have two strong effects. Speed and it gets twisted by motor torque. And it's not as consistent as a gas bike because depending on how hard you hit the throttle, it can have a major, unpredictable twist effect.

Starting from a dead stop takes a little practice because it's not like slip that a clutch has. The bike is basically sitting there "off" and when you twist the grip and it makes the first contact the bike GOES with a jerk.

HOWEVER: that was in 2016. Maybe they cleaned up some of those things.

The test bikes that I saw had a switch for a speaker so you could turn on engine sounds.
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Seriously, at least the MoCo recognizes a problem and is trying to act. Just hope it not too little to late
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