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Old 06-08-2010, 01:52 PM   #1
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GM recalling 1.5M vehicles over fire concerns

WASHINGTON—General Motors Co. said Tuesday it was recalling about 1.5 million vehicles worldwide to address a problem with a heated windshield wiper fluid system that could lead to a fire, its second recall over the issue in two years.
The recall affects several pickup trucks, sport utility vehicles, crossovers and passenger car models from the 2006 to 2009 model years. GM conducted a similar recall in 2008 but came across new reports of fires in vehicles that had been fixed.

GM said it would disable the heated washer fluid system module that could lead to fires. The Detroit automaker will pay owners and those leasing vehicles $100 each since the feature is being disabled.

GM said it was aware of five fires but there had been no injuries or crashes reported. Nearly 1.4 million vehicles are in the U.S. and more than 100,000 vehicles are in Canada, Mexico and other international markets.

"While our analysis shows the number of incidents is very small compared with the number of vehicles on the road, we want our customers to have complete peace of mind," said Jeff Boyer, GM's executive director of safety.

The recall covers the 2006-2009 model year Buick Lucerne, Cadillac DTS, and Hummer H2; 2008-2009 Buick Enclave and Cadillac CTS; 2007-2009 Cadillac Escalade, Escalade ESV and Escalade EXT; 2007-2009 Chevrolet Avalanche, Silverado, Suburban and Tahoe; 2007-2009 GMC Acadia, Sierra, Yukon and Yukon XL; 2007-2009 Saturn Outlook; and 2009 Chevrolet Traverse.

The auto company said customers will begin to receive recall letters later this month but can contact their dealer to make an appointment to have the heated washer system removed. Dealers will remove the heated washer fluid module and reroute washer fluid hoses.

GM said the technology, which helps melt ice in freezing temperatures, was available from only one supplier, Microheat Inc., of Farmington Hills, Mich., which went out of business, preventing GM from working with another supplier on an improved design.

GM recalled more than 900,000 vehicles because of the heated washer fluid system in August 2008 because a short circuit on the circuit board could overheat the ground wire. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration had opened an investigation in February 2008 into 2007 Yukon and Tahoe vehicles over potential engine compartment fires.

The government closed its investigation after the 2008 recall but GM later came across fires in vehicles that had been fixed under the previous recall, prompting the latest safety action.

Owners can contact Buick at (866) 608-8080, Cadillac at (866) 982-2339, Chevrolet at (800) 630-2438, Saturn at (800) 972-8876, GMC at (866) 996-9463 and Hummer at (800) 732-5493.
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Thats the problem with all these cars now a days. They are too fancy. Back in my day you bought a car because it was reliable. It was durable. Now people buy cars because of the frills. The and giggles. The warmers and heated wind shields.

America aint what it used to be. They sure as don't make em like they used to.
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Cars Are Vulnerable To Hackers, Too

A new paper on the security of internet-equipped automobiles shows them to be, well, frighteningly insecure. Researchers were able to remotely cut the brakes, stop the engine, and lock out the driver on a typical, new-model networked vehicle.

Thinking back to the insecure early days of networked computing, a team of computer security specialists from the University of Washington and the University of California, San Diego thought it might be worth checking out how new automobiles—increasingly featuring computers and networked control systems—stood up to attempted hacking. Not very well, it seems!

The researchers successfully breached two test cars that were "representative of the computer network control systems that have proliferated in most cars today:
https://gizmodo.com/5539193/now-cars-...to-hackers-too
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Tahoes and Suburbans were recallled earlier for this
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Thats the problem with all these cars now a days. They are too fancy. Back in my day you bought a car because it was reliable. It was durable. Now people buy cars because of the frills. The and giggles. The warmers and heated wind shields.

America aint what it used to be. They sure as don't make em like they used to.
no kidding, my first car was a 78 buick LaSabre

that tank had huge hydrolic shock absorbers on the thick steel bumpers

I used to pull trucks out of the mud with it.
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no kidding, my first car was a 78 buick LaSabre

that tank had huge hydrolic shock absorbers on the thick steel bumpers

I used to pull trucks out of the mud with it.
Those were the days. I have seen these little plastic asian hit a old American classic and the plastic car fell to bits. American classic probably had a minuscule scratch on the paint.
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A new paper on the security of internet-equipped automobiles shows them to be, well, frighteningly insecure. Researchers were able to remotely cut the brakes, stop the engine, and lock out the driver on a typical, new-model networked vehicle.

Thinking back to the insecure early days of networked computing, a team of computer security specialists from the University of Washington and the University of California, San Diego thought it might be worth checking out how new automobiles—increasingly featuring computers and networked control systems—stood up to attempted hacking. Not very well, it seems!

The researchers successfully breached two test cars that were "representative of the computer network control systems that have proliferated in most cars today:
https://gizmodo.com/5539193/now-cars-...to-hackers-too
way overplayed threat.

to controll anything wirelessly, you need a radio transmission device connected ie bluetooth, infrared, etc and the transmitter has to bbe transmitting signal from whatever module you want to hack, ie ECU.

having wifi in your sync equipped ford car does not make your ECU which controls your car hackable wirelessly.

its easy to build a radio controlled ecu in a lab and say ECUs are hackable.

the controll centers that run your car are going to remain wired for a long time to come.

threat is way overplayed
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Thats the problem with all these cars now a days. They are too fancy. Back in my day you bought a car because it was reliable. It was durable. Now people buy cars because of the frills. The and giggles. The warmers and heated wind shields.

America aint what it used to be. They sure as don't make em like they used to.
btw mercedes have had heated washer fluids since the 80s if not earlier so that tech is pretty old for GM to drop the ball on.

and i like my warmers
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A new paper on the security of internet-equipped automobiles shows them to be, well, frighteningly insecure. Researchers were able to remotely cut the brakes, stop the engine, and lock out the driver on a typical, new-model networked vehicle.

Thinking back to the insecure early days of networked computing, a team of computer security specialists from the University of Washington and the University of California, San Diego thought it might be worth checking out how new automobiles—increasingly featuring computers and networked control systems—stood up to attempted hacking. Not very well, it seems!

The researchers successfully breached two test cars that were "representative of the computer network control systems that have proliferated in most cars today:
https://gizmodo.com/5539193/now-cars-...to-hackers-too
Thats the first thing I thought about when onstar came out then all these onboard computers that were coming out. Amazing how comfortable people are with technology.
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Those were the days. I have seen these little plastic asian hit a old American classic and the plastic car fell to bits. American classic probably had a minuscule scratch on the paint.
Crazy that those same cars are more likely to kill an individual then ones that can dissipate the impact. Cars from then can not even register on todays safety standards, so that is a illogical statement
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Thats the problem with all these cars now a days. They are too fancy. Back in my day you bought a car because it was reliable. It was durable. Now people buy cars because of the frills. The and giggles. The warmers and heated wind shields.

America aint what it used to be. They sure as don't make em like they used to.
Wait back when cars own odometers didn't roll over past a 100k? You have to be kidding me reliability is on a completely different playing field.
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they are just gonna cut it out and reroute for non heated fluid, come on I really want my washer fluid heated! Haha you get what you par for....or do you?
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way overplayed threat.

to controll anything wirelessly, you need a radio transmission device connected ie bluetooth, infrared, etc and the transmitter has to bbe transmitting signal from whatever module you want to hack, ie ECU.

having wifi in your sync equipped ford car does not make your ECU which controls your car hackable wirelessly.

its easy to build a radio controlled ecu in a lab and say ECUs are hackable.

the controll centers that run your car are going to remain wired for a long time to come.

threat is way overplayed

I believe they can disable your car and pull diagnostic info via satellite. I agree with your statement that the threat is "currently" overplayed, but that will soon change. I sit in a room with people that test those protections everyday.
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I believe they can disable your car and pull diagnostic info via satellite. I agree with your statement that the threat is "currently" overplayed, but that will soon change. I sit in a room with people that test those protections everyday.
silly me, i drive a cheapo dodge so i forgot onstar and mercedes satnav existed.

poor man syndrome i guess.

thank you need to get in my car to disable it then
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silly me, i drive a cheapo dodge so i forgot onstar and mercedes satnav existed.

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thank you need to get in my car to disable it then
Car in your sig is not cheap, and I bet has more audio system electronics than most luxury cars have wiring in general
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Car in your sig is not cheap, and I bet has more audio system electronics than most luxury cars have wiring in general
thats racist!

i only have the factory kicker system cos i'm not a ridiculously loud audio guy.

trust me, dodges are cheap if u let someone else buy them new or buy a dealer demo after 18 months
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