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Old 11-13-2018, 07:56 AM   #21
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"designed the bike" - not "working on aerodynamics"

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So whatever.. Not worth my time
And then you just leave me hanging with this BS?
Just wait a minute here!!!!!

What the 773H are you doing??? Giving up?????
I agree that at times voice auto-correct can be your worst enema, but where is your millennial sense of drama?

I thought I felt a good one coming on.
................. now I'm just disappointed....

And there's still no opinion on the original query: With winglets, I'd like to know what happens if you whoolie?

I like the H2R better on an aesthetic level, but I don't like the H2 without the bottom half of the fairings. Pay more, get less?
The Duc is $40K - the H2R MSRP is $55K BUT - I've never had a chance to actually lick either one of them with my tongue. Just seen pictures. That's enough to give me pee shivers...
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Old 11-13-2018, 08:47 AM   #22
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I'll go out on a limb...
Having never seen one and having zero hopes of ever riding one, I can say with confidence that the winglets will have zero effect on wheelies.

Now I know they will catch the wind and help push the bike up and potentially over BUT, I argue that an experienced... wheelier? (is that a word, if not I just declared it one), would compensate and since the effect would be predictable, it would not make any difference. The bike would not be more likely to flip and in fact might be easier to wheelie.
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Old 11-13-2018, 09:07 AM   #23
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If you put the bike on a treadmill, would it wheelie?
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Old 11-13-2018, 09:26 AM   #24
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If you put the bike on a treadmill, would it wheelie?
No

Because it will just break the treadmill and then your wife will get mad and yell at you and you'll have to go out drinking again kuzzat bish starts flappin her gums and just won't QUIT!!!

I don't know if there's any tech data on the wings, like area and length, but I think I'll take a guess at it a calculate the force against the bottom at various speeds once you get the plane over center.
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Old 11-13-2018, 09:37 AM   #25
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To be honest, Id like to see a real world test of the winglets vs no winglets. Im not taking JLo or Dovi, Im talking front to middle of the pack runners from CMRA (or equivalent).

Just thinking about them on a wheelie, it would be interesting. In theory, you would be fighting the bike to get the front wheel up at first (other than mass amount of hp fixes that quickly), then the winglet could become a sail and lift you quickly, like an airplane.
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Keep in mind that by the time balance point is reached, the wing would be in a full stall and causing maximum drag. That could act as a buffer or cushion, if you will, and make maintaining balance point easier.
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Did some rough calcs. Air pressure in pounds per ft is about .00256 x Speed.
I assumed that one winglet measures 5" at the root, 3.5" at the tip, and is 8.0 inches long. It comes out to 34 in. This is .236 ft or roughly ft.
So - at 70 mph you're looking at about 3 lbs pushing on one winglet IF the winglet is standing straight up.

Now - this does NOT include the negative pressure on the back side of the winglet, which is something less than 50% of the frontal pressure.

All said 'n done; we're looking at falling just shy of 4.5 pounds effecting a single winglet IF it's standing broad to the wind. If it IS standing broad to the wind.....

forget it. You've already gotten yourself the inevitable good case of -burn road rash followed by 6 days in the hospital with an ugly nurse smearing your with stinky ointment...... and the worst part - your brand new bike is totaled.
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so youre saying, dont ride like a squid on a $40k Ducati?
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First dude that takes one to the track will break them off
First dude to drop it in his garage will break them off. Probably cost $2k per winglet. Winglet delete kit will be the first aftermarket accessory available. Then the detachable DLC seat will come out. I'm not saying all Ducati owners are gay. Just saying that most of them are.
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I want to see how it does at IOM TT. When they ramp a nub in the road at 200mph with the winglets send them flying over teakettle or will it take a nosedive......?

btw - I like that picture. I love low angle racing pix. Comes in #2 right behind Asian chicks. HA
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Old 11-19-2018, 07:40 PM   #33
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This bike serves one purpose, WSBK homologation.

Everything about this bike is top of the line and meant for racing, however the WSBK race bodywork has to be similar to the street bodywork, which is why the street bike has wings, that way the race bike can have wings. Everything on this bike is meant to be transferred over to WSBK which is why it happen to come in right at the WSBK price limit of 40,000
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Old 11-19-2018, 11:23 PM   #34
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Guess we will see.. The last I checked wings are to be determined.. So may not get to use them in wsbk..
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