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Old 02-27-2017, 09:12 AM   #1
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97 bandit 1200 - wont turn over

Picked up a donor bike for my long term 90 gsxr 1100 project.
picked it up in waller. It had been sitting at the guys second property(next door). The story is lost the key and the bike sat for years. It actually has little trees growing through it. lol.
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Bike had individual filters on it. ant it was left out side.
The son said 10 years the owner said 3 years.

Got the carbs off( cleaning/ soaking them now)

when to hit the start button and nothing
got to the starter solenoid and it motor makes a click.
pulled the plugs(thought there was water on the piston) one was wet a little I think it was from water sitting outside the motor.
same results.
so I went to turn the bike over directly at the starter.
same results.

What are the chances that the motor might be locked up from sitting?
- should I put a little oil in the spark plug hole to help lube it up?

any other suggestion...

I have a buyer for the rolling chassis on sat so I'd like to get it started before I yank it.
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Old 02-27-2017, 09:31 AM   #2
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I'd think if the motor was locked up, you'd at least hear SOMETHING.

One of these days, I'll get around to doing the same build. I look forward to a write up on your build to keep us updated.
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It's probably the starter. The brushes could be seized to the electrical motor if it's been sitting that long. You can take the starter apart and clean it. Pull the starter and see if it will spin with power directly connected. If you just want to turn the motor over, take off the stator cover and turn it at the crank/rotor.
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Old 02-27-2017, 09:45 AM   #4
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Find a small hill and try to bump start it?
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Find a small hill and try to bump start it?
I'm old.. and the bike is too. I want nothing to do with anything close to pushing it. lol

I forgot how big/heavy everything is on these motors are.

I'll swap it out with the one in the 90 1100 that one was at least stored inside.

So Far I have....
$100- in the gsxr 1100 bad motor missing upper and lower fairings. brakes and suspension are shot.
$200 for the bandit with title.

If I sell the roller(have a 300 offer already) i'll be at zero dollars for the project so far.
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Old 02-27-2017, 09:57 AM   #6
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Have you tried turning the motor by hand at the crank?
That'll tell you if the motor is seized or not. The rings may have rusted to the cylinder walls.
If that's the case then some oil in the spark plugs holes and slow rocking the motor back and forth at the crank MIGHT be able to break things loose.
I've seen motors that locked up like that come back to life and run fine. It all depends how bad the rust is.

In any case a running motor is worth more than a big lump of corrosion.

It also could be the starter as mentioned, just throwing out another thing to look at.
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The rings may have rusted to the cylinder walls.
look at.
this is what I'm hoping for.... If the starter doesn't pan out.
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Have you tried turning the motor by hand at the crank?
That'll tell you if the motor is seized or not. The rings may have rusted to the cylinder walls.
If that's the case then some oil in the spark plugs holes and slow rocking the motor back and forth at the crank MIGHT be able to break things loose.
I've seen motors that locked up like that come back to life and run fine. It all depends how bad the rust is.

In any case a running motor is worth more than a big lump of corrosion.

It also could be the starter as mentioned, just throwing out another thing to look at.
This is exactly what I was thinking. Had the same thing happen on a 07 r6. hadn't even been sitting a year. Pull the plugs and dump a little bit of mystery oil in each cylinder and start working the crank gently. If its like most of the newer bikes its got a plug you can remove to access the crank bolt. Usually quicker than trying to pull the starter. Might also have a bad engine ground. you can hook your jumper cables directly to the engine and hit the starter with the positive.
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I hate having a favorite project sitting at home and stuck at work.....

I did the jumper cables....
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Old 02-27-2017, 07:15 PM   #10
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Spin the crank, its your easiest way to see if the motor is locked. Pull the case cover, throw a wrench on there and in 15 minutes you know where you stand.
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Old 02-28-2017, 01:52 AM   #11
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Feeling pretty stoked right about now.....
Did some cleaning up on the gs 500 i bought yesterday. Finished that up then add a cap full of oil to each cylinder. Waited like 2 min. Put it in 6th gear and rolled it back & forth 5-6 times and Bam! I heard a little cough from the plug holes. Rocked it a little more just to lub it up some more. Rolled it the to jumper cables.... Direct to the starter turn over fine.

Already looking for asick day reason!

Now... Do i clean the carbs(im surethey are jetted for the pipe n filter pods.
I found a stock set of carbs for $200. But then ill need to jet them. Maybe i could just take the jets out and swap them n the stockers
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