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Old 07-27-2021, 10:02 AM   #1
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As somebody that has crash tested a few helmets, this seems important to share. Choose your new helmet wisely.

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So we should buy bell and 6d helmets?
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This is a big pile of nothing-burger meat. It's just trying to get clicks. Also, the fact that it is such a carbon copy of the Fortnine video without adding in all the info included just screams of the author's whingy binge in the I'll-do-anything-for-clicks= bin. The comments have better information than the article, for crying out loud! I'll try to highlight the parts I can see.

1. Snell's double hit test has always been one of it's unique parts, but it's also been the biggest idiocy that it has kept alive*. Losing it means little to the standard's quality when it comes to safety.

2. The author knows jack about helmet manufacturing. Manufacturers 'having to choose' between certifications is nothing new, as he suggests. Each maker has their own in-house researchers/testing, and they know exactly how their helmet will perform in each certification's test. They build helmets to those standards. It's why you can see the 'same' model being sold in Europe and NA, and one having the ECE cert and one having the Snell cert. If they want the Snell certification, they build a helmet that will pass it.

There's nothing new in this "manufacturers were forced to choose between the two" business. Snell helmets will still be the same as far as their crash worthiness. Little is going to change for the manufacturers, I'd bet.




*Anyone who thinks losing the 'double hit' portion of the Snell test is bad hasn't paid attention to the statistics. Accidents with more than one hit to the head are rare. Vanishingly rare. The cry that Snell "is practically useless" is retarded. It will still have the same protections needed for all the other hits. Did the author of that retardation I just read even watch the Fortnine video he linked? Snell's past president even stated that motorcycle crashes rarely if ever involve multiple strikes to the same spot. Also, anyone who pays attention to the testing would notice an oddity. None of the tests involve the helmet hitting an object at 200mph. Again, the biggest hits to the head come from the head hitting the concrete after 'dropping' from it's comfortable position where you ride the motorcycle. Fancy mathematics involving calculus and trigonometry for the balloon on the end of a lever made up of your body notwithstanding, treat it as the helmet being dropped six feet.






Now, all that being said... yes, Snell has moved itself into a position where it isn't adding anything to the discussion about helmet safety anymore. In all those letters linked by the video, they've admitted that their ideology isn't inline with reality as far as crashing. They've been called out repeatedly for it.

This dual rating system for M2020 may be the signal that the standards will be changing to newer crash models for 2025, or it may be Snell's moment to jump the shark.
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So how much are helmet prices going to jump up to now
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So how much are helmet prices going to jump up to now
bout tree-fiddy.
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I don’t expect prices to change. At least not for us here. The change is in Europe who has introduced a new version of Regulation 22, now on version amendment 06. (aka 22.06 from previous version 05, aka 22.05)

DOT still law of the land for all helmets sold in US and it and Snell have not changed, still same double impact higher energy in the M2020D which is the DOT version Snell rated helmet that we would buy here.

What snell has done is to introduce a second category for European markets M2020R to line up better with the ECE standard which is law of the land over there but offer higher impact energy performance than just ECE alone.

There the Snell R and ECE 22.06 have same impact velocity, single drop, and acceptance criteria for g’s and Head Injury Criteria (HIC). The difference being Snell hitting against 3 different anvil types, flat, sharp angle, and hemisphere, and is dropped on guided rails which concentrates the impact energy and penetrate further into the shell. Where ECE only using flat on the impact test and a rounder curb with a free drop of the helmet which lets it roll out of the impact.

Snell is doing this to offer customers in EU a chance to buy a helmet that has higher impact ratings than the standard ECE which all helmets there must meet just like all helmets here must meet DOT. If you’ve ever been to EU and visited a bike shop and pick up a bare bones ECE helmet you’d understand why. I thought DOT was bad until i saw ECE in its native market… Much different than the dual ECE/DOT stuff that you see over here.

That all said I too was initially confused by the the whole thing and concerned Snell was changing and caving to the EU market.. So I wrote them a WTF email almost a couple years ago now when 2020 came out and their reply helped put it all in perspective. I know long enough post already, just trying to share what they wrote back and not to freak out or change your view as a result of badly researched click bait articles.

The only other thing I’ll add is also not to get too hung up on “double” vs single impact thing and the arguments that stem from that in context of it being likely or not to happen. All the double impact is after is a way snell use to put more energy into the impact, think of it as a simulation of a higher velocity single impact. They just don’t have test rigs that tall so they drop it twice from half the height kind of thing.
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