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Old 04-22-2013, 11:54 AM   #21
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Not exactly. They haven't mirandad him because they are trying to decide if to reclasify him as a combatant and take his rights away.

If they take his rights away he can go to GITMO and be inerrogated "harshly" that you can't do to a normal citizen.
Even so, he can still refuse to talk. He's still a citizen. I realize he's a terrible waste of citizenship, but many have done worse and are still regarded with more rights.
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what good are your miranda rights anyway? no one is going to talk because they think they don't have a right to keep quiet. either they talk because they're innocent or because they're guilty and have developed a conscience.
and if they talk because they have been brutalized or coerced, they would have done that with or without their rights having been read to them.
honestly, " you're under arrest " is all they really need to know, at the time. the rest will play out soon enough in a court of law.

yes our judicial system is up but i think there are far more criminals walking, due to technicalities, than there are innocent people doing time because of a technicality. word play sucks whether it's in our judicial system or right here on the internet.
I agree that a criminal should never go free if they committed the crime and it can be proven. Unfortunately we live in a society of 'he didn't MEAN to do it, so he's not guilty' vs. 'he did it; he's guilty'.

It's not whether or not you DID the crime, it's whether or not you can find ways around the fact that you did the crime.
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You don't have to be told your rights to KNOW and UNDERSTAND them. They haven't taken the rights away, just decided not to tell him about his rights.

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Just to clarify, You are correct. It's actually a Miranda warning that is informing you of your rights.... modern lexicon it is interchangable.

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So why do people in these get categorized as "terrorist" ? Can someone explain that to me. Is it because they are just not "Born" in America
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Just to clarify, You are correct. It's actually a Miranda warning that is informing you of your rights.... modern lexicon it is interchangable.

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So why do people in these get categorized as "terrorist" ? Can someone explain that to me. Is it because they are just not "Born" in America
I wish I knew.
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Even so, he can still refuse to talk. He's still a citizen. I realize he's a terrible waste of citizenship, but many have done worse and are still regarded with more rights.
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So why do people in these get categorized as "terrorist" ? Can someone explain that to me. Is it because they are just not "Born" in America
born makes no difference, the citizen we drone missiled in yemen and his 16 year old son, were both native born Americans, and had no trial.
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So why do people in these get categorized as "terrorist" ? Can someone explain that to me. Is it because they are just not "Born" in America
That is the problem... if allowed to snowball (use the sequester as a example) soon disagreeing with the current administration will be classified
as acting with terroristic intentions...


I know it sounds tin foil but who would have thought the party would
do what they did and gain so much power so quickly....
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born makes no difference, the citizen we drone missiled in yemen and his 16 year old son, were both native born Americans, and had no trial.
So whats the difference between the 3 dead to these "russian terrorist", vs the 12 dead to the Aurora killer.

I never heard him be called a terrorist
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regardless of nationality; Timothy mcvey was labeled a terrorist.




terrorist (plural terrorists)
A person, group, or organization that uses violent action, or the threat of violent action, to further political goals; frequently in an attempt to coerce either a more powerful opponent, (such as a citizen or group targeting a government), or conversely, a weaker opponent, (such as a government, or even an internal citizen or group, being targeted by a larger government).
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I get the need to torture when necessary however I dont like the loss of rights when "they" decided its ok. Its a matter of time till no rights are left. Its a jacked up grey area. Sucks that this world is so .
It's not a grey area. We have rights or we don't. This individual's rights are no different than yours or mine. No better, no worse, and the very fact that this has come up at all is very, very disturbing.

He has been caught. He is entitled to his day in court. Then we the people are entitled to our retribution via his legal punishment. We are a nation of laws and the laws need to be allowed to work. As soon as we allow exceptions of any kind to the legal process the entire process is invalid.

His actions are deplorable, despicable, and if I got my hands on him the result would be unmentionable in polite company. That's not the point. The state has to do the right thing and do it within the framework that protects us as a society. Taking short cuts at any point along the way cheapen the result and threaten our rights in the future.

Our laws are strong enough to deal with this. If we don't allow them to work, we weaken them, and the damage we allow to ourselves will be greater than the blood he spilled in Boston.

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i just googled "aurora terrorist" this is the first thing i got (no i didn't read the article)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...ora-sandy-hook
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regardless of nationality; Timothy mcvey was labeled a terrorist.




terrorist (plural terrorists)
A person, group, or organization that uses violent action, or the threat of violent action, to further political goals; frequently in an attempt to coerce either a more powerful opponent, (such as a citizen or group targeting a government), or conversely, a weaker opponent, (such as a government, or even an internal citizen or group, being targeted by a larger government).
But didn't he bomb an federal building or something. I still don't see how the Boston Marathon has anything to due with the definition you provided.
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although the boston explosion caused civilian casualties, it was politically/religiously motivated.
a stand up and take notice, type message to America. designed to evoke fear.
TERRORISM.
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Basically all Miranda rights does is if a person makes a confession without being read their Miranda rights, that confession cannot be used against him in a court of law. On the other hand, if the person being questioned gives information that leads to evidence, that evidence can be used against them, regardless or not if Miranda rights have been read. It's up to each individual to know their rights under the 5th and 6th amendments. They say ignorance of the law is no excuse when breaking a law. The same should apply to knowing your rights. For me, knowing this, it's no big deal if Miranda rights were read or not.
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Not exactly. They haven't mirandad him because they are trying to decide if to reclasify him as a combatant and take his rights away.

If they take his rights away he can go to GITMO and be inerrogated "harshly" that you can't do to a normal citizen.
This is a slippery slope, one in which I'm eager to see how it plays out. Even though what he did was a heinous act, he should be tried in a court of law as a citizen since he is a citizen. True he is a naturalized citizen, but that does not negate the fact that he is in fact now a citizen of the United States and should be afforded all the rights that come along with US citizenship.
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Basically all Miranda rights does is if a person makes a confession without being read their Miranda rights, that confession cannot be used against him in a court of law. On the other hand, if the person being questioned gives information that leads to evidence, that evidence can be used against them, regardless or not if Miranda rights have been read. It's up to each individual to know their rights under the 5th and 6th amendments. They say ignorance of the law is no excuse when breaking a law. The same should apply to knowing your rights. For me, knowing this, it's no big deal if Miranda rights were read or not.
Bingo. He still has the right to remain silent.
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Just the fact that its going on and being discussed tells us there is more to it
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