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Old 05-08-2019, 02:25 PM   #21
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So then would you say that intermediate riders double the posted curve speeds, and advanced riders double plus through curves? Double and a half or triple, in some cases?
I'd never encourage anyone to go faster than what's posted for the turns. I don't need that on my conscience, but new riders need to actively pay attention to all the signs that are posted along the roads including those indicating driveways on the other side of a blind turn.
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I'd never encourage anyone to go faster than what's posted for the turns. I don't need that on my conscience.
Well, of course. I wasn't asking if that's what you recommended, I was asking if that's how you see the different levels.
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Well, of course. I wasn't asking if that's what you recommended, I was asking if that's how you see the different levels.
Nah, I wouldn't try to set any standard about how fast certain levels will go through turns. I'd use a combination of total miles riders have actually ridden and what they feel their comfort level is. You're asking folks to be honest with themselves and to use their best judgement. If everyone did use their best judgement there wouldn't be any crashes.

I don't think you can make a blanket statement about how to classify different levels of a group ride.
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Nah, I wouldn't try to set any standard about how fast certain levels will go through turns. I'd use a combination of total miles riders have actually ridden and what they feel their comfort level is. You're asking folks to be honest with themselves and to use their best judgement. If everyone did use their best judgement there wouldn't be any crashes.

I don't think you can make a blanket statement about how to classify different levels of a group ride.

You're still not understanding me. I'm just trying to get a gauge. If someone consistently and comfortably takes curves at double the recommended speed, do you consider that a moderate or a fast pace? AND, how fast do YOU take corners?
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You're still not understanding me. I'm just trying to get a gauge. If someone consistently and comfortably takes curves at double the recommended speed, do you consider that a moderate or a fast pace? AND, how fast do YOU take corners?
That was merely an example of how to seperate ride groups. So riders know what group they would fit into comfortably.

You can set what speeds you want to call it a "moderate pace" ride.. just need to be more specific about how the speeds will be moderated.
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But.. yeah i guess.. if you are comfortable taking corners at double the recommended speeds..without running out of your lane or without having to ride your brakes..then that would probably rate you as a moderately experienced rider.
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This seems overly complicated. Seems if your riding with Keith and say to yourself “he’s taking turns too slow” you move to a faster group otherwise stay I. Keith’s group. Sure, there are riders who will say “I’d like to go faster in the straights” but that wouldn’t be a qualifier. Keith keeps a decent pace but last week two of the people who were in his group moved to the “fast” group but were not riding the corners fast enough to have done so. I don’t think you can quantify a speed relative to the sign any more than you ask how many degrees of lean. There are also days when Keith reduces his pace for various reasons so the pace isn’t consistent day to day and thus neither will the groups be.
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This is why I choose to ride last in line. I don't have to worry about those signs. I ride the curves however I want and no one gets upset that I'm too slow.

And no one has to scrape up my bike parts because I tried to ride above my level.

Which I guess I would be an intermediate beginner.
I’m the same way. I like to ride in the back of the pack for the same reasons. You can always hang back and blast the curve how you see fit. Just once did I get stuck behind a total noob rider and ended up right on her back tire. Even then I like to keep those newer riders in my rear view
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[QUOTE=Kenneth;4175128]This seems overly complicated. Seems if your riding with Keith and say to yourself “he’s taking turns too slow” you move to a faster group otherwise stay I. Keith’s group. Sure, there are riders who will say “I’d like to go faster in the straights” but that wouldn’t be a qualifier. Keith keeps a decent pace but last week two of the people who were in his group moved to the “fast” group but were not riding the corners fast enough to have done so.[/QUOTE

Just out of curiosity, how fast would you have to take the curve to be in the “fast” group. If and when I make it out there I’d definitely put myself in the slow group to start because I don’t know the road, but I also don’t want to be on someone else’s a$$ because they are riding the actual speed limit or slightly above.
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This seems overly complicated. Seems if your riding with Keith and say to yourself “he’s taking turns too slow” you move to a faster group otherwise stay I. Keith’s group. Sure, there are riders who will say “I’d like to go faster in the straights” but that wouldn’t be a qualifier. Keith keeps a decent pace but last week two of the people who were in his group moved to the “fast” group but were not riding the corners fast enough to have done so.[/QUOTE

Just out of curiosity, how fast would you have to take the curve to be in the “fast” group. If and when I make it out there I’d definitely put myself in the slow group to start because I don’t know the road, but I also don’t want to be on someone else’s a$$ because they are riding the actual speed limit or slightly above.
Keith always described his rides as “spirited” never as “slow.” You answered your own question. You start with Keith’s “spirited” pace group and Switch groups if you feel you really want to go faster.

Keith rides aren’t slow (most of the time). They just are slower than some of the really fast riders out there want to go. And keith rides at, not the speed limit, but more cop friendly of a pace when on the straights.
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Keith always described his rides as “spirited” never as “slow.” You answered your own question. You start with Keith’s “spirited” pace group and Switch groups if you feel you really want to go faster.

Keith rides aren’t slow (most of the time). They just are slower than some of the really fast riders out there want to go. And keith rides at, not the speed limit, but more cop friendly of a pace when on the straights.
Sounds good. Thanks for clearing that up. Like always people tend to find their spot in the pack. I guess I can get a better feel in person by talking to everyone when it’s time to see what their pace is. I think I might refrain from using “slow” from now on.
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..... Sure, there are riders who will say “I’d like to go faster in the straights” but that wouldn’t be a qualifier. Keith keeps a decent pace but last week two of the people who were in his group moved to the “fast” group but were not riding the corners fast enough to have done so....
Not sure which two. I was the third one behind you, white leathers. During the first "fast" group, you guys were pinning it on the straights. I took some of the curves at triple digits, but decided to coast on the straights. I gauge my entry speed, look through the turn and adjust accordingly. I believe there were 3 others that pulled up behind you after I did.
There's plenty of "fast" riders out there (I've ridden with a few, back when MH was the main board). But if to walls is considered the current "fast " group then count me out.

I wouldn't mind leading a "more spirited" group, but not being familiar with the roads up there voids me from the list.

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I’m the same way. I like to ride in the back of the pack for the same reasons. You can always hang back and blast the curve how you see fit. Just once did I get stuck behind a total noob rider and ended up right on her back tire. Even then I like to keep those newer riders in my rear view
I'm not talking just back of the pack. I always sweep. I'll let the group get ahead of me to the point that I can barely see the person in front of me. So much so that Keith and the group ran off and left me. Twice.
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You're still not understanding me. I'm just trying to get a gauge. If someone consistently and comfortably takes curves at double the recommended speed, do you consider that a moderate or a fast pace? AND, how fast do YOU take corners?
Depends on the corner. The speed signs for some are based on limited sight distance, not how tight the turn is. All 30mph marked turns for example are not the same or consistent.
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Not sure which two. I was the third one behind you, white leathers. During the first "fast" group, you guys were pinning it on the straights. I took some of the curves at triple digits, but decided to coast on the straights. I gauge my entry speed, look through the turn and adjust accordingly. I believe there were 3 others that pulled up behind you after I did.
There's plenty of "fast" riders out there (I've ridden with a few, back when MH was the main board). But if to walls is considered the current "fast " group then count me out.

I wouldn't mind leading a "more spirited" group, but not being familiar with the roads up there voids me from the list.

I’m not going to allow process of elimination to call anyone out. Still I want to point out that there were in fact 3 different fast groups although you may not have been aware.


Hmmnnn... why would you think I was talking about you?
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Still. The point is that if Keith is not riding slower than the slowest people in the Fast Group, the slowest of the fast group is in the wrong group. My thought has always been that if one was slow in the turns but hammered it in the straights they should not be in the “fastER” group. I also recognize some may disagree with that philosophy but if you slow though the turns it might be an indication of overall skill level as well. All of us can hammer it on the straights most days.
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So I’ve had I few thoughts I’d like to toss out for your consideration. Theses ate conclusions I have come to but obviously they are just my opinions.

The two groups don’t stand as being simply Fast or Slow.
Unless Keith has changed what he usually does, his ride is not for slow riders, although they have allways been accommodated.
Keith’s rides rides are “spirited.”
There may be a group that is “fast-er” but that doesn’t make Keith’s slow.
The majority of riders do well in Keiths group.
Unless you are all over Keith’s every turn, stay in his group.
The Fast-er group is for people who are comfortable with more servers lean angles.
A faster and slower group only exist by comparison so some will not know what group is best unless they have tried Keith’s and actually found it slower than they want to ride.
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Well Keith I'm glad to see your not leaving us!!
Just going to put my 2 cents in! lol
I know I'm not a rider to be in the fast group as I know I don't drag knee around the curves, not yet anyway! But putting myself in the slower group would really depend on the riders skill level in that group, and how slow of a pace that it would be going. I learn by staying in the back and watching how all the faster riders take the curves. No, I don't take them like y'all do, but I'm getting better and more confident about them. I'm usually catching up on the straights, but I know my little 600 will not keep up with the bigger bikes on those either in a fast group.
My suggestion is maybe 3 groups, fast, moderate, and slower for the beginners and first timers out with this group of guys n girls.
I know I really appreciate everyone in this group as they have all helped me grow as a rider in the last year, and want to continue getting better with all of y'alls help!! A big Thanks to everyone!!😁😁😁🤗🤗 Anyway sorry gave y'all 10 cents instead of 2!!😂😂😂

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