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Old 01-09-2018, 11:01 AM   #1
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Rosso 3 vs Rosso Corsa

Hi, all.

Last year I rode on Rosso 2's. For this year, I've had some people recommend Rosso 3, while others recommended Rosso Corsa.

What are the main differences? What should drive my decision on choosing one over the other?

My current plan is to do about 10-13 track days this year and do some 2-up back roading riding a few times while it's not too hot. On track days, I just moved up to Level 2 with Ridesmart (did one track day in that level at COTA).

All words of wisdom will be highly appreciated.
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By the way, attached are photos of my tires after the last track day at COTA in December.
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I see a little bit of chicken strip on that rear tire. Ha ha ha
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Lower operating temp on the rosso 3 I believe.. Should get more millage out of rosso 3 as well.. I think at least your next set should be rosso 3.. Going to get a bit more grip out of rosso corsa once they warm up but seeing that your on a 600 and just starting lvl 2 I think the extra money on rosso corsa at the moment would be overkill.. Profile is a lot better on rosso 3 vs rosso 2 and you will like that.. Will also put more rubber down in a corner... Pretty sure the rosso 3 and corsa both have the same profile or at least very simular.
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And yes the rosso 3 will be a bit more sticky that the rosso 2..
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There will be a bit more sticky on the rosso 3 vs 2 as well.. I suppose you are using most of your tire so if you really feel like trying to drop your lap times fast then go with the corsa..
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I see a little bit of chicken strip on that rear tire. Ha ha ha
Hey, I like chicken!!
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Thanks for the input, man!

I was just checking: price difference on the set is about 35 bucks. That's not bad.

As far as mileage, let me throw a little more info here. The tires on those photos have 1060 miles on them. 930 were at the track.

One guy who saw those tires said I may have one more left track day left on them.

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Your tires are not showing hardly any wear.
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Btw, once you start riding track you need to consider tires differently. In addition to wear (look for the wear bars) you also need to consider heat cycles. Track tires have a limited number of heat cycles they can go through before they are no longer sticky. That’s why track riders use tire warmers.... it reduces heat cycles to one per day instead of once per session.
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So you believe it's still good for the track?
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Btw, once you start riding track you need to consider tires differently. In addition to wear (look for the wear bars) you also need to consider heat cycles. Track tires have a limited number of heat cycles they can go through before they are no longer sticky. That’s why track riders use tire warmers.... it reduces heat cycles to one per day instead of once per session.
Yeah, I've been thinking about getting tire warmers for that reason... would that make sense if I'm running Rossa 3 or Corsa?
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Try these. Priced right and based on described use, you should be to go. I think the S21R (could be wrong) is out now as well. Below is an older article on the S21.

http://www.cyclenews.com/2016/03/art...idgestone-s21/
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So you believe it's still good for the track?
Yup! They look perfectly fine. Considering you just went from L1 to L2, you're barely scratching the surface. If you're looking at keeping the bike, this year, as a dual purpose bike (track and street riding); I'd get a second set of wheels with more sport touring type of tires for the street. At the moment, save yourself the headache of "race" rubber and warmers. Sport/street tires (as these are) will take everything your current skill level can throw at it and be plenty forgiving. Plus, the silica will enable them to better weather the heat cycles Curt mentioned.

With that said, I'd get another set of wheels/tires for your street riding as they will last way longer and you might as well save the better rubber for the track.

IF the cash for a new set of tires isn't that big of a deal, then by all means, try different ones and see what you think. , get a decent set of take-offs and see how they feel.

However, different tires and or different riding styles (track vs 2 up backroads) are going to require suspension adjustments if you want things to work correctly.

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EDIT: back when I was doing both street and track, I'd go through a set of tires every 2-3 months or 2.5-4k miles most of the time the rear would last around 2-3k and the front 4-5k (let's assume around 3-4 track days thrown in there). Approximately.
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While I agree with the above in principle, I have ridden with and know Claudio well. I dont think in his particular case an extra set of rims and tires are worth it. He might ride 200 to 400 miles street in a year, and that's being generous. He also goes to every track day. It's just not worth it.
Also, Claudio, if you get warmers be sure they are dual temp. Street tires in general aren't designed to be at the heat of single temp warmers. Use the low setting for street tires. If it was my bike in your position, I'd go with rosso corsa and possibly a 180/60 for the rear if you are worried about powering out of a corner into a slide. The bike suspension will likely need to be adjusted for the tire size change, so it's not to be taken lightly, imo. Do I think you need warmers? Honestly, based on riding with you at the track I would say not yet, especially with tires as sticky as the RC and how conservative you ride.
The others are right that your tires look good and I haven't seen the oil coming to the surface discoloration on your tires so you likely have quite a bit of riding left in them.
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The Rosso Corsa is a more aggressive tire and would be better for track days than the Rosso III. The Corsa has what Pirelli calls a "Three Zone Compound" design versus a bi-compound design on the Rosso III. Keep in mind you're paying for the Pirelli name. A set of Dunlop Q3+ tires or Bridgestone S21 sport tires would be just as good at the level you are riding and save you some money that could be used in other areas to enhance your track day experience. Suspension and brake upgrades are well worth the money.
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can i step in here and say F*ck pirelli's nomenclature.

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S(port)21, T(ouring)30... FTW.
Running an S21evo front and t30evo rear you'll prob get more mileage, as good or better grip, and save helladollas.

Both S21 and T30 will easily hold up to fast level 2 speeds : )


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You more experienced riders can possibly shed light on this. I've been told over and over and read it many times as well that when learning to go faster, don't keep changing tire brands. For example Dunlop, Michelin, and Pirelli all feel different and is one more thing to learn. While I know Claudio isnt at his level, Dave Moss commented once that he doesnt use Q3s because they give so much feedback it's distracting(I am paraphrasing..its on one of his videos). Im not saying Q3 shouldnt be used. Im just throwing out a data point from someone we all know (to avoid the your friend is an idiot comments) about tires feeling different. What's your opinion?
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Btw. Rosso 3's are very price competitive.. At the moment they cost me less than the Q3 plus.. Rosso corsa can be a little pricy for what you get so I tend to stick with metzler racetec.. Very simular profile to the Pirelli but not quite the price (under normal circumstances). I find great deals on pirelli every so often.. . As far as millage. Keith gets very close to the same millage out of his rosso 3 that he was getting out of every sport touring tire he was using.. Pretty sure he has had every name brand.. So go with what you feel comfortable with.. There is really no reason not to.. If your a penny pincher there is usually a deal out there somewhere to get whatever you want at a decent price.. Yes even Pirelli.. There is really no reason to hate on any "name brand".. They all have there good and bad.. And some like the way this one feels and other dont.. I have always been a proponent of using whatever makes you feel the most in control.. And personally whatever needs the least amount of maintenance to get it that way.. So personally I shy away from michelin just because I don't like that there so picky with tire pressure More so than most other tires.. But If you like them that's fine.. There still a great tire.. So anyways.. Just go with what makes you feel most confident and leave it at that.. At the moment since you don't know what you want, all the tires that are a step up from a rosso2 are going to have a sportier profile (steeper). Q3 won't be quite as steep as a rosso3.. I preffer a rosso 3 vs a Q3 for that reason.. I like the turn in better but I can't say I don't like the Q3.. It was a good tire as well.. I honestly can't comment on the profile of the michelin but I can't imagine any other tires being any steeper than the Pirelli and or metzler at the moment.. That is not to say that the other tires don't have just as steep a profile.. The big tire manufactures are so competitive that there not going to let the other have any massive edge over another especially for starting out in lvl 2 I don't think you could go wrong with any of them.. When one does have an edge you can be assured that the next best tire is about to come out..
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