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Old 01-18-2020, 01:37 AM   #1
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I bought a high powered E-bike. A "Stealth B-52 Bomber" *long read* 1st thoughts.

It's so long I had to remove my "other initial thoughts" and "Closing thoughts" sections to post it. I'll put those into the next post with the pics of said bikes.

This thread is kind of a spin off of my other post on my recent Cali Trip. This is what I went to buy.

My 1st impressions of the ďStealth B-52 BomberĒ and E-biking in general. First off let me say that I really love the fact that it doesnít make any noise. This allows you to go unnoticed, even when youíre up to no good. Which for me is reserved to cheating on a few traffic regulations. Like switching from road, to sidewalk, to parking lot to get around traffic.

Battery management thoughts: Battery management is the key to making this thing practical. Itís so high powered that you can drain the battery very quickly or putt around and make it last for hours. One of the major disappointments of the B-52 was that it doesnít have a torque sensor for peddling. What I mean by that is that when you peddle the sensor measures how hard you are peddling and applies electricity to the motor to match. The harder you peddle the more power goes into driving the motor. On the Stealth peddling and motor are completely separate. Motor is controlled solely by the throttle. I think a torque sensor could greatly increase the battery life. Since the hand throttle/motor is incredibly responsive and twitchy. It would definitely make it more ride able as a bicycle on technical trails. Everytime u hit a bump it will twitch, and will spike the wattage output which drains the battery faster. Iím still trying to perfect my grip for maximum control. From full stop to wide open it took Ĺ mile to get up to 49mph. And it drained 6% of the battery to do so. I haven't held it open for longer than that, YET. Yet cruising at 20-25 I still got 1.5 miles on that same 6%. Fortunately the computer has setting to limit the maximum wattage output to the motor and also limit the maximum mph. Both of these settings are easily adjustable and will help manage the battery drain even if you have no control. I think to get the maximum claimed 60 miles on a charge. Ur gonna have to keep it around/under 20mph. Which is what electric bicycles are supposed to be limited to anyway.

Ride 1) 1-16-2020, ride at night.
Night riding is something that I will very rarely if ever do in my hood on a regular bicycle. Itís a safe hood, but I donít feel the world is as safe these days. When I was a young man I could do 15 miles a night just goofing off in the hood with friends.
Distance covered: 21+ miles.
Battery % end: 29%
Ride description: Took it for a shakedown ride around the surrounding neighborhoods. Ended up 5+ miles away showing it to a friend. Average speed 20ish. Slowest speed cruised at 10mph. Max speed: 49. One run of 40-43mph for .7 mile (on BW-8 service rd.) And one Ĺ mile run from 0 to 49mph. The Ĺ mile run used 6% off the battery. All in all I still had 28% battery left and it took less than 2 hrs. to recharge. The charging system is quiet sophisticated, but when the battery is the single most expensive item to this bike. Sophisticated is good. The battery meter on the bike will not change until the battery is full and then the charger shuts off automatically. The on board computer counts charge cycles. It actually has quite a few stats that it keeps up with.

Ride 2) 1-17-2020
Distance covered: 20+
Battery % end: 28%
Ride Description: Today I tuned the maximum output to the motor from 5200w to 4000w. Just to see how it affects things. Not that noticeable a difference, but then again the only time it uses that much wattage is under hard acceleration. I mainly cruised 20ish on the sidewalk and 25-35mph on the rd. With some slower cruising thru the parkinglot or 2 and a couple of times over 40. One sustained 40 for a couple miles and one ĺ mile sprint up to 47. I had a good head wind for the first half of the journey. I was planning on using county flood control drainage - rights of way, but the grass was still wet and it needs fenders. So I got back on the roads. Went to Hartz, Locksmith, and cruised HomeDepot parkinglot (just so I could say I've ridden it to other side of I-10). Average speed according to the computer on the return 9.8 mile ride was 18.7mph.

Suspension: Still getting it dialed in. Initially it was set at its softest settings all the way around. I really havenít felt much difference in any of the settings. But then again itís a Chinese knock off. Left the rebound on a faster setting and stiffened up the compression to middle of the rd. Aired up the front fork to 145psi. Still need to get a spanner to add some preload into the rear spring. Even if the changes donít make a difference, with 8Ē of travel, I love it already. It has soaked up most all of every bump that Iíve hit so far. Including 1 - 4x4 hidden in the grass hit at about 10mph. Even with the tiny saddle I rode over 42 miles in under 18hrs and my feels fine. If it had been a regular bicycle with that tiny HARD saddle. My would be hurting like . Instead I feel like I could go another 42.

Traffic on a bicycle: First off leet me say I've never considered riding a bicycle with traffic on a busy street like I did today, but on the bomber It was awesome. One absolute must is to have a mirror on the handlebar end and lights (even in daylight). This is the first upgrade and it is defiantly a must do for riding with traffic. And being able to easily keep up speeds of 20mph will make it much less nerve racking to ride with traffic. A big stretch of todayís riding was on Uvalde rd. All the way from I-10 to Beltway 8. Itís 35 then 45mph speed limit. Some of the 35 stretch I rode on the sidewalk (at 20ish) Even found one decent ramp to jump. And then at the intersections that were backed up. I went over the curb, down the sidewalk, and thru the parkinglots to bypassed sitting in traffic. On the 45 section I kept it up 40+. I find that cars actually ride behind me. I think they were just amused at the guy peddling his off at 40+mph. And when the car in front of me slows to turn. I felt very confident in moving to the left lane and passing just like if I was on a MC. I found myself reaching for the turn signal (which it doesnít have). Iím going to have to get one of those amazon bike light kits. The ones with brake lights and turn signals.


Thought on the authorities: While in traffic I passed a couple of HCSD going the opposite direction on Uvalde. They didnít give me a second look. Passed a group of 3getting gas at a station on Uvalde while I was cutting thru the parking lot. And they didnít give me a second thought. Saw one more going the otherway while we were both sitting at a red-light and just like all the rest. When I took off and left the traffic behind he didnít seem to worry about me either.

Security (theft): This one has a code that has to be entered after turning the key on, but itís a really flashy bicycle. Theft will definitely be a big issue. And being able to take it in wherever you go or having a secure locking mechanism and solid point to locket to is a must when left unattended. With the more expensive bikes it would be wise to add them to your home policy. Iím considering getting a policy as a moped type or scooter on this one. Some even come with anti-theft stuff and GPS tracking built in, but itís a bike they can carry it off if they canít ride it. So you have to physically lock it to something.

Disclaimer: There are laws regulating E-bikes and although electric bicycles in general are legal to ride on public roadways and most anywhere a non motorized bicycles are allowed. They are classified into 3 catagories Class 1, 2, and 3. The ďStealth BomberĒ bicycle that Iím referring unfortunately falls outside of these classes and regulations and is technically not legal for use on public roads, pedestrian rights of way, and established bike paths. It does have a setting that will limit it to the legal limits allowed by law, but this only muddies the water regarding its legality. Iím hoping that if I tune it down (when on public pedestrian paths/trails). Donít draw too much attention and ride with some respect and courtesy for fellow citizens and trial users. Then I might be able to skate by under the radar. ďIt has most always worked with my other vehicles.Ē Itís those times I havenít been respectful and courteous that I got into trouble. lol. Once the new wears off, Iíll probably look into getting it insured, inspected, and registered, as a moped.
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Other initial thoughts: I really wanted to get an electric bicycle for 2 reasons. To improve my own health and my pocketbook. The fun factor never enter into the equation. You can believe that. Most of my trips from my home (excluding work) are under 15 miles. Most of all of these trips are using the Wing or a caged vehicle, but could very easily be done on a bicycle if I had a little more energy. In getting into electric bicycles, I am getting some exercise and cutting down on the fuel, maintenance, and other cost of getting around. On the health improvements front. Hereís an example, I have a treadmill that I am just getting into. And havenít been on at all since starting with E-bikes, but when I do I usually cover 1 ľ to 1 Ĺ miles in 20 min. at 3.5 to 5mph. Mostly 3.5 to occasionally 5+. Last night after doing 21 miles on the bike. I got on the treadmill and did a longer stint (Ĺ mile+) at 5 and 5.5 than Iíve ever did before. I could have continued at that pace, but I stepped it up to 7mph for a 100yds. Before slowing to a cool down walk. Ended up covering 1 ľ miles in under 15 minutes, a new best for me. Also since starting E-biking. Iíve weighed in a couple of pounds lighter than normal. Which Iíve been trying to do for a long time. Donít really need to lose weight, but I am hoping to replace some of the fat with muscle.

My closing thoughts to the whole e-bike thing.
They are way underrated and I think that if people could give them an extended try before they bought them they would definitely be way more popular. I must like them because since the 1st of the yr. I now have 2. One is a class 2 designation similar to ďThe RadRoverĒ by Rad Power Bikes. Which you can rent in Galveston. The other is a Stealth B-52 Bomber. Itís really a small electric dirtbike made with bicycle components. E-bikes make it incredibly easy to maintain speeds for long distances of 15 to 20ish. Which makes them much more practical for short trips. You can ride them almost anywhere a regular bicycle is allowed. The sidewalk, pedestrian trails, public roads, hidden shortcuts that no one knows about, etc. In heavy traffic they are totally awesome since you can ride them as a bicycle lane sharing, on the sidewalk, over the curb, thru the grass, into the parkinglot and be gone. When using electric modes on a regular e-bike. Most of them, use a different sensor that only senses the peddles turning. You really donít peddle to move the bike, you peddle to engage the motor. Then the motor moves the bike. Obstacles such as curbs arenít obstacles anymore. The PAS (peddle assist) modes do take some getting used to, but when you do. The (PAS) peddle assist settings (usually 1 thru 3 or as many as 9 modes) determines how fast you go. The higher the setting the faster itís set for. Kind of like a cruise control. So you still get the exercise by peddling at a level of resistance that will not deplete your battery. And when you do get tired I think class 2 and 3 come with a throttle. So you can stop peddling and ride it like a MC. On this one unless Iím sprinting, I always peddle at a level of resistance that elevates my pulse and breathing so I feel the exercise, but not so hard that I get tired. If youíve ever liked and still think you can enjoy riding a bicycle. Try out an electric bike. Even the normal electric bicycles will make riding fun again. For someone who can ride a bike, but is not physically able to ride 5 or ten miles on a regular bike. You very likely will find 5 miles quite fun on one of these. In fact just recently I rode my reg. bike 5 miles. It about kicked my . Now Iím doing 20+miles at a time just for fun, exercise and trying to wear the new off. And the e-bikes come in so many unique styles and different sizes. There is one for everybody.

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I almost forgot to mention a most important component.

The Braking: It's on par with what a sportbike feels like, plain and simple. And the front fork has mounting points for twin calipers/rotor setup. On many e-bikes you have a button that turns the motor into a generator, slowing the bike while charging the battery. It can be a big benefit in hilly terrain. Houston....not so much.

And one other thing it suxs to have to pedal. The motor is so powerful it creates a drag. It'll wear you out quick.
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I have to say, biking here in Cali is WAY different than back home in Houston. We are use to flat land. Over here, you almost have to have an e-bike to make it to the top of some of these hills. Other-than-that, they also provide other perks... if you are older or have slight physical limitations that keep you off most traditional bikes, e-bikes can give you the second chance to get back on a peddled bike. I mean, I like them. But I think prices will need to go down a little before I decide to buy one.
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Great write-up. I joined here because like a lot of us, I grew up with a love of everything two-wheeled. The first "motorbikes" were nothing more than bicycles with engines or motors strapped to them all the way back in the late 1890's. I think it's pretty cool to see motorized bicycles making a small comeback. Recently in San Antonio a couple hours before we left I decided to rent one of those electric bike like scooters for me and my son (just turned 8) to ride back to where we parked. I think we were both grinning the entire time. Cruising through the city reminded me of when I was a kid and starting at the top of the big hill just coasting down with the wind passing through your hair. I think we, in our drive for power and speed, forget those little things that made up fall in love with bikes to begin with.

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Was thinking about an e-trail bike a few months ago while mountain biking through Arkansas. Thought I might be able to enjoy more of the trail system (it seemed to go on forever and was pretty exhausting). What are your thoughts on more difficult terrain and battery consumption? Thanks for the post, lots of info.
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...big snip... ďthey are totally awesome since you can ride them as a bicycle lane sharing, on the sidewalk, over the curb, thru the grass, into the parkinglot and be gone.Ē
Reminds me of my commute to class in the mornings back in college . That was on a moped, and then Iíd park it in the bicycle rack too. Iíd have driven it into lecture hall if I could have mounted a desk top to it. Very fun and fond memories.

Since you have two of these now, that means to must have raced them against each other.... any ideas on what would make the best course. Iím thinking something like you described above
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I have to say, biking here in Cali is WAY different than back home in Houston. We are use to flat land. Over here, you almost have to have an e-bike to make it to the top of some of these hills. Other-than-that, they also provide other perks... if you are older or have slight physical limitations that keep you off most traditional bikes, e-bikes can give you the second chance to get back on a peddled bike. I mean, I like them. But I think prices will need to go down a little before I decide to buy one.
Yea I really was hoping to ride it in the hills around LA, until I got there and thought of the long journey home.

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Was thinking about an e-trail bike a few months ago while mountain biking through Arkansas. Thought I might be able to enjoy more of the trail system (it seemed to go on forever and was pretty exhausting). What are your thoughts on more difficult terrain and battery consumption? Thanks for the post, lots of info.
Battery drain.. I'm going to post a video of me blasting around a new hiking trail that I found. Riding at a fairly brisk (28-35) pace I've drained (15%+- left) the battery twice at around 15 miles.

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Reminds me of my commute to class in the mornings back in college . That was on a moped, and then I’d park it in the bicycle rack too. I’d have driven it into lecture hall if I could have mounted a desk top to it. Very fun and fond memories.

Since you have two of these now, that means to must have raced them against each other.... any ideas on what would make the best course. I’m thinking something like you described above
They are totally different One is a class 2 ebike and the other is actually an electric motorcycle built with Downhill bicycle components. One's a semi truck the other is at least a cheap sportscar.


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I have been to San Francisco and the hills are no in a wheelchair. I averaged 6.6 miles a day. I was there a week in 2019 and prior to that in 2014 as well. both times, I felt like my arms were going to fall off my body. Sucks watching these electric scooter guys fly by me.
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RadPowerBikes.com They are America's (out of Seattle) largest e-bike company. You can rent them in Galveston from Zipp E-Bikes. Which also acts as a local service center.

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As far as mech/tech support there isn't a whole lot to the electric part. Battery, charger, motor, controller, computer interface, throttle, and maybe a pedal assist sensor. The rest is just a bicycle. And we have 2 shops locally that I know about that specialize in E-bikes.
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Dude, this is super expensive... I'll rather by another dirt bike...
The base model for a Levo starts at $4600 And the most exp. is only $12K, but the base model will be fine for me and my friends. I have a 20 yr old Specialized Enduro Comp. It costs me $2K then. It is a freeride style bike. 4+" of travel front and rear, hyd. brakes, etc. I love it. And if it had a motor I'd still be riding the heck out of it. But I got old and peddling alone just didn't cut it anymore. For me E-bikes are the best of both worlds.

For a long time I've looked at CRF450's and almost talked myself into buying one on more than one occasion, but I think for offroad riding. A bicycle will be more to my liking. It has a lot less restrictions and rules to follow. Not to mention all the costs associated with keeping it up and running. Easier transporting to and from. I intend on riding a lot. I'd like to put 15 to 20 miles a day on it. That gets expensive when you have a gas engine. 25yrs ago (when I rode 2-3 hrs everyday) my Honda TRX250R used to take around $300 dollars a month in parts alone to keep going. Hopefully it won't be as expensive with an E-bike.
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Yea I really was hoping to ride it in the hills around LA, until I got there and thought of the long journey home.



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Good thing I'm not trying to attract members of the same , your lack of attention to detail in my name makes you appear less intelligent.
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Is this anything like a e-cigarette?
Does it cure the addiction?
Does it address authenticity?
What are the side effects?
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Good thing I'm not trying to attract members of the same , your lack of attention to detail in my name makes you appear less intelligent.
Don't really understand what your getting at?
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This is the next one I will get.
Rambo Rampage 1000W Xtreme Performance Full Suspension >> $$$ > these things are going to take over the dirt scene
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