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Old 05-19-2009, 11:29 AM   #1
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Does this make anyone else mad?

I was planning on buying a new truck today. But after I read this im not sure. I dont want to buy a new truck and be told there will be a limit of how long an can own it. Wtf!!! My z71 has 203, miles on it.

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Old 05-19-2009, 11:30 AM   #2
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good luck wit that
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Old 05-19-2009, 11:35 AM   #3
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I think they're referring to mpg, not overall mileage. I can't find anywhere in the article where there is mention of a cap on total vehicle mileage.
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Old 05-19-2009, 11:37 AM   #4
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I heard the dumberment was going to also start taxing how many miles you drive. Odumba is really starting to me off.
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Old 05-19-2009, 11:39 AM   #5
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Did i miss the part where is said you could only own it for a cetain amount of time?

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Old 05-19-2009, 11:41 AM   #6
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Yeah im more worried about my 2009 f150 passing a 2016 emissions inspection. That is if were not all forced to drive smart cars by then. I still prefer the dumb ones.
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Old 05-19-2009, 11:42 AM   #7
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Old 05-19-2009, 11:43 AM   #8
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I heard the dumberment was going to also start taxing how many miles you drive. Odumba is really starting to me off.

They already do that, its called your reg. sticker. The bridges and roads its supposed to be use to maintain are all becoming toll roads anyway.....
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Old 05-19-2009, 11:45 AM   #9
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yup. fvck him in the ear. big government taxing everything to keep paying for big government.
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Old 05-19-2009, 11:46 AM   #10
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anyone else surprised about another tax?

I call this one the "New Car Smell Tax"
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Old 05-19-2009, 11:47 AM   #11
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I heard the dumberment was going to also start taxing how many miles you drive. Odumba is really starting to me off.
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I heard the dumberment was going to also start taxing how many miles you drive. Odumba is really starting to me off.
This has been proposed several times in recent years. it really sucks because there is already a gas tax. If they want to encourage less energy use then they will just stick with taxing gas. I mean if it will cost me the same to drive a mile in a Hummer or a Corolla why the heck would I chose a Corolla?

Part of this is they want to force people back into the cities but what they don't realize is that eventually businesses will just leave the cities and locate near their workforce instead of forcing them to commute. there is no real reason for companies to be in a central "downtown" location these days.
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I was just reading an article that states that increased fuel economy leads to increased fuel consumption. So basically the exact OPPOSITE of what they propose. Is there anyone in government thats not a moron?
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Old 05-19-2009, 12:20 PM   #16
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And what if no one buys these wonderful cars Obama is forcing the bankrupt manufacturers to produce?Maybe another bailout?
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Tailpipe emission standards are set for the year of production.

When I left California my 87 Saab's regulations were 10ppm HC and .5 CO. The 2001 New Car regulations for Texas was somewhere ridiculous like 50-100 HC and 2.0% CO.

Meaning, unlike California we only need to perform an OBD check on the vehicle. Unless you own a permanent 4wD vehicle in Cali you do exhaust sniffing on a dyno. Motorcycles and Semi Diesels were approved for testing by the CARB when I left, but not enforced yet.

BMW has to adhere to a plan to clean up their vehicles by 2010; which they are still on the borderline for. This is why they are bringing the diesel to the states; the average will drop for production vehicles and they will meet their quota if they continue to sell vehicles.
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very stupid...

so what happens to all the used autos that don't meet the golden Obama standard??
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I heard the dumberment was going to also start taxing how many miles you drive. Odumba is really starting to me off.
They are looking into a mileage tax. This will punish the middle class, as a mileage tax would affect middle class commuters the most. Make no mistake, the mileage tax will not replace the current fuel tax - it'll just be a whole new tax.

The current gas tax works. The more fuel you use, the more you pay. If your vehicle gets 20 mpg, you pay more than the guy getting 35 mpg. You're using more, you pay more. Simple.

So why the push for a new tax? As cars get more efficient, rather, as cars must get more efficient to meet new government mandates (seen the news about a 35mpg minimum?), the government is concerned they will see reduced revenue because people will be using less gas than before, so they want to add a new revenue stream (fancy language for new tax) onto you, the tax paying citizen.

There would be many problems, chiefly how do they know how many miles you drive? They'd need to install a GPS on every vehicle, plus the ability to track everybody everywhere all the time. Yes, GPS can provide the raw data, but there currently isn't anything set up to sort and store all that information. To set that up will cost no small amount of money - so this program will cost millions if not billions to get off the ground before the government sees a cent. That only makes sense to the retards in government.

So anyway, let's look at other problems. Like, that new GPS better be hardwired to the car. People that are smarter than government stooges will be trying to disable them the moment they come out. NTM thieves will want to take your GPS so you get charged for their black-market miles. I suppose they could stagger prices at the pump - one price for grandfathered cars, a second, slightly lower price for the new Orwellian machines. The trick is, how will they know what you're driving? A plug-in to verify the car is what it is at the pump? Another device for the less-than-honest to dry to deceive.

Ultimately this kind of tax fails because it's net effect is to dampen the economy. Taxes are distortionary because they alter behavior. Think about it - they keep raising taxes on cigarettes because they want to discourage smoking. Raising taxes on miles driven will make people want to drive less, and the net result will have a dampening effect on the economy. In a time of recession, this is being discussed seriously? Freaking retarded.

Basically, the government wants your money. Like a meth junkie, they HAVE TO HAVE IT. Without your money, they can do nothing. Maybe some of you remember when a bunch of freshman senators shut down the government when they didn't like Clinton's budget proposal. Anyway, again like a junkie, they're constantly on the lookout for whatever they can steal. The only thing they need is your money, so there you have it.

This me off to no end. I got windy on the subject. Sorry.
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