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Old 08-15-2018, 09:35 PM   #1
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Minis allowed in Level 3 at Ridesmart Events!

Ridesmart has adjusted their policies to allow 250's, 300's, and 400's in level 3. This will be for MSR Cresson and MSR Houston, not COTA. There will still be laptime minimums and also a provided jersey must be worn. See website for more information. Woohoo!!!
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Ridesmart has adjusted their policies to allow 250's, 300's, and 400's in level 3. This will be for MSR Cresson and MSR Houston, not COTA. There will still be laptime minimums and also a provided jersey must be worn. See website for more information. Woohoo!!!
Time to trade my ZX10 in for a 400!
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Old 08-16-2018, 05:20 AM   #3
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Phew, I knew this has been a rub with the faster endurance guys. Sounds like some additional revenue.
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We have some great riders on small bikes that will be very happy for sure!
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Oh man, I can't wait to blow their gloves off!
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You know you were fighting a 3/4 chubby passing litre bikes around the outside....
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Bwhahhaaaa. Truth. Although much harder in level three. This helps every one including big bikes who can work on their cornering speeds.

It will be much safer for the appropriate mini pilots.
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Bwhahhaaaa. Truth. Although much harder in level three. This helps every one including big bikes who can work on their cornering speeds.

It will be much safer for the appropriate mini pilots.
You'll look pretty in the pink jersey you'll be required to wear. Hahahahaha 🤣
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About time Davey Wonder Boy. Glad you finally listened to reason.

Looking at the latest lap times for 1000cc novice racers (A superbike novice) at Cresson last round I'd (and most decent 250 riders) finish 9th or 10th in the 1000 class on my 08 ninja 250.
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Uh Oh, some feelings going to get hurt for sure
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They payed their money , they have the lap pace , what's the problem ? Makes everybody a better rider . I love riding with the L/W .
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Common misconception is small bikes carry more corner speed than bigger bikes. They don't. In fact, with their smaller tires, they have less contact patch than big bikes. An expert rider will always go faster on a liter bike than same expert on a 300cc. Conversely, an expert on a 250cc may pass a beginner rider on a liter bike on turns. It's all about skill and confidence.

The economics and fun factor of an ULW (ultra light weight) make for an awesome day at the track. You can't beat $20 parts and tires that last all season, not to mention a tank of gas good for (almost) an entire track day. Pound for pound, you can't go wrong with a mini/ULW bike, whether you're 12 years old or 50+, it's the most fun I've had on a motorcycle.
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Common misconception is small bikes carry more corner speed than bigger bikes. They don't. In fact, with their smaller tires, they have less contact patch than big bikes. An expert rider will always go faster on a liter bike than same expert on a 300cc. Conversely, an expert on a 250cc may pass a beginner rider on a liter bike on turns. It's all about skill and confidence.

The economics and fun factor of an ULW (ultra light weight) make for an awesome day at the track. You can't beat $20 parts and tires that last all season, not to mention a tank of gas good for (almost) an entire track day. Pound for pound, you can't go wrong with a mini/ULW bike, whether you're 12 years old or 50+, it's the most fun I've had on a motorcycle.
Not to completely derail this thread but I feel a need to address this. The common misconception here is that a larger contact patch means more traction. It may be true in certain instances but it is by no means the law of the land. What is more important is the shape of the contact patch, for instance width vs. length.

Look at Moto3 vs MotoGP bike corner speeds. You'll notice the Moto3 bikes will generally carry a higher speed in the corners that the GP bikes despite their much narrower tires. The tires are narrow because they aren't supporting the same loads/heat. More weight demands a larger tire.

Another common misconception is that a smaller/lighter bike handles better and that's why they carry higher corner speeds. That is false. Though a lighter bike is generally physically easier to manipulate and steer, it doesn't necessarily have any extra corner ability. Same goes for guys that get lightweight wheels on their bikes and think it made such an amazing handling improvement.

Back to Moto3 vs MotoGP bikes...The GP bikes carry less corner speed because of how the rider is choosing to drive them, not what the bike is capable of. The more power you have, the more it makes sense to park it in the corners and ride a line that allows you to lay that power down as soon and as much as possible. Moto3 bikes have nowhere near the ability to accelerate and thus it is to their advantage to maintain whatever speed they have as much as possible.

This whole "I'm going to pass your literbike on a 250 in the corners because I'm a better rider" rhetoric really needs to stop. That's just track day heroes trying to measure up despite their deficit in displacement. Try being a beginner track day guy on a 1000 and you'll understand why you've been able to advance your abilities faster on a 250. You're not out there just trying to survive, the guy on a 1000 is.
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You sound like a slow 1000 rider.
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Can't wait to see all the minis tearing it up with each other in level 3! Next trackday is August 25!!
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