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Old 03-10-2006, 01:40 PM   #21
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here;s a ? for ya alice, you think the DPS test or MSF test is harder?
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here;s a ? for ya alice, you think the DPS test or MSF test is harder?
i took the msf and then just had a written test at DPS. i thought if you didn't take the MSF the DPS tests you on a bike though. But MSF riding vs. paper/pen i'd say MSF.
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i have to disagree on this one ... i was impressed with the fact that a first timer person after 2 days of riding handles a bike that well. it may not be the answer if you already know how to ride but it does open your eyes on lots of things so overall its benificial.

yeah it does. i took the class and i had not ever been on a bike before. I was suprised at the stuff i learned and was able to do so quickly. i think msf is great and i tell everyone i know to take it.

are there people who should not pass the class? definately!
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you are correct, but you can take a riding test at DPS forgoing the MSF entirely.

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i took the msf and then just had a written test at DPS. i thought if you didn't take the MSF the DPS tests you on a bike though. But MSF riding vs. paper/pen i'd say MSF.
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I've driven by the parking lot at Tumbleweeds and noticed there is a MSF place there. Makes me wonder just how many times those bikes are dropped.
The weekend I took it, 2 bikes got dropped. 1 girl on a Ninja who had never been on a bike, and 1 guy who had ridden some.........he dropped his 3 times.
Out of about 20 people.......
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true it's incomplete. but thats all thats out there.

in NJ in '04 , 29 people died on bikes, 1 had taken the MSF none of he others had. thats 97% of non-MSFers dead .in TX i think it;s closer to 82%
dude ur statistics are wack... its only accurate if you provide how many motorcycle riders out there took msf and how many didnt then you can get exact statistics.

if only 5% percent of all riders take msf, its common sence that the percentage of fatality is less cause they consist of a smaller sample of the population... it doesnt prove that msf riders are better riders or worse.

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The weekend I took it, 2 bikes got dropped. 1 girl on a Ninja who had never been on a bike, and 1 guy who had ridden some.........he dropped his 3 times.
Out of about 20 people.......
they need to put stunt cages on those bikes for protection
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on the website it says 3,400,000 people have graduated from MSF ridercourses SINCE 1974.............................................. ......................:eh:
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porschito...........statistics........taken the class , it's hard as all get out........

its not that its outta wack, its incomplete. if you search for the MAIDS study, a euro study that says basically says the same thing, the more training you get the better your chances of knowing how to properly react.
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also says "Over 300,000 novice and experienced motorcyclists enrolled in our courses last year." So what we need to know is how many people ride motorcycles ?
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also says "Over 300,000 novice and experienced motorcyclists enrolled in our courses last year." So what we need to know is how many people ride motorcycles ?
how many people take the class/pass and don't get a license.........again just like the helmet info, too much $ to investigate fully.
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also says "Over 300,000 novice and experienced motorcyclists enrolled in our courses last year." So what we need to know is how many people ride motorcycles ?
okay. about 5 million motorcycles registered for street use in 2002, up from 3.9 in 1995. You can't really tell how many people are riding actively so...i don't know.
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porschito...........statistics........taken the class , it's hard as all get out........

its not that its outta wack, its incomplete. if you search for the MAIDS study, a euro study that says basically says the same thing, the more training you get the better your chances of knowing how to properly react.
i never disputed that its not good or help you out actually im talking the advanced one soon. but anyways, what im disputing is ur statistics. u say 99% percent of fatalities occur among riders between ages 16 and 45, no shirlook im sure 99 % of sportbike riders fall in that age range as well. u didnt prove lol....
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and of those registered, how many are licensed riders? and how many unlicensed.......can't count those. cuz they're not on record.

so back to the 90%.........off all the riders that died, 90% had not taken the MSF. thats quantifiable.........X # of dead riders, X # of them took MSF..........see the logic.
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i never disputed that its not good or help you out actually im talking the advanced one soon. but anyways, what im disputing is ur statistics. u say 99% percent of fatalities occur among riders between ages 16 and 45, no shirlook im sure 99 % of sportbike riders fall in that age range as well. u didnt prove lol....
where'd that stat come from.........i say riders aged 16-30 are the highest % of deaths.........doesn;t matter if they ride sportbikes or cruisers or "standards".
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no i dont see the logic its possible that the guy that took the msf and died in nj is the only one who took it over there that makes the fatality numbers among msf graduates 100%
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no i dont see the logic its possible that the guy that took the msf and died in nj is the only one who took it over there that makes the fatality numbers among msf graduates 100%
it was a fem.......
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it was a fem.......
Maybe it was a guy who did a change ur statistics are still innacurate...
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those people do have the opinion of taking it again.. but do they really go back and take the coarse they paid 180 dollars for again? MSF isn't doing its job if their letting people who fall off the bikes at really low speeds get their license.
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so basically the stats aren't thorough. maybe they aren't thorough for a reason? I'm sure if they wanted, MSF could have figured out some stats that were actually meaningful and not just some that look good at first glance like they have now. from now on you can say "i THINK MSF saves lives, but i'm not sure"
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