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Old 06-08-2009, 11:45 AM   #61
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Lot's of people on Westheimer, so why would they not show off. I saw two guy on Westheimer and both of them were blipping the gas trying to get the front wheel off the ground and nether one was wearing any gear. The guy crashed right infront of me and slid across all lanes and I try'd to block traffic so the would not get ran over. His back tire was showing tread and he just lost the back end.

When I saw them coming up on me I let them pass and I dropped back.
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a friend told me about this thread of this accident and i wanted to clarify that they were NOT racing. the riders were mark and his dad bj. BJ DOES NOT RACE. The "investigator" tried to explain what happened because they were so called racing but when confronted that his explanation didn't make sense he replied that its not his job to make sense of it. Thats strange officer because I thought you were an accident INVESTIGATOR. Mark is going to be ok with some broken bones but BJ is still in ICU. True it was a huge mistake for neither of them to be wearing a helmet but BJ is fighting cancer and rides for leisure, he wouldn't race down Whestheimer at 2:30pm. Regardless please keep them in your prayers, we still haven't been able to get a response out of BJ.
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They were riding together, exceeding the speed limit, no?

...for all intent an purposes, they were racing. If nothing else for a lack of a 'group speeding' violation.
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a friend told me about this thread of this accident and i wanted to clarify that they were NOT racing. the riders were mark and his dad bj. BJ DOES NOT RACE. The "investigator" tried to explain what happened because they were so called racing but when confronted that his explanation didn't make sense he replied that its not his job to make sense of it. Thats strange officer because I thought you were an accident INVESTIGATOR. Mark is going to be ok with some broken bones but BJ is still in ICU. True it was a huge mistake for neither of them to be wearing a helmet but BJ is fighting cancer and rides for leisure, he wouldn't race down Whestheimer at 2:30pm. Regardless please keep them in your prayers, we still haven't been able to get a response out of BJ.
Thanks for clearing it up, glad they weren't racing!!! I didn't think the damage to the car reflected evidence of drag racing, but i don't know anything if you leave it up to most people on this board.

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since the money in your pocket and bank account has drugs on them that makes you a drug dealer .. and all moneys should be forfeited and you should pay a fine
That would be dependent on if the money went from my pocket to the bank or the bank to my pocket now wouldn't it...and it'd be what those nifty investigators are for.


...and I've found most accident investigators tend to be pretty sharp.

Got proof the two riders were NOT speeding?
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irregardless .
without not regarding..........
sorry, I had to. it's 2009 let's use the kings' english properly. that, or people will laugh when you use the big words all dang dumb. daaaaaaang.

anyway, sucks for that guy. sad when a cage drives across lanes of traffic. let's hope he makes a full recovery, regardless of who's at fault.
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without not regarding..........
sorry, I had to. it's 2009 let's use the kings' english properly. that, or people will laugh when you use the big words all dang dumb. daaaaaaang.

anyway, sucks for that guy. sad when a cage drives across lanes of traffic. let's hope he makes a full recovery, regardless of who's at fault.
, I could care less, lol.
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Dude sad to hear bout the riders....^^^^ but that was fvnny!...^^^
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i don't know what world you live in .. but nothing depends on nothing and fact is you have said dirty money on your person .. case closed guilty
I know it's a funny concept, but it's called logic. There are a few people in the real world who use it. Try applying it to your 'scenario' and the information provided in this accident thread.
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That would be dependent on if the money went from my pocket to the bank or the bank to my pocket now wouldn't it...and it'd be what those nifty investigators are for.


...and I've found most accident investigators tend to be pretty sharp.

Got proof the two riders were NOT speeding?
1) Cant prove a negative. It is logically and mathematically impossible.

2) Last time I checked, people are innocent until proven guilty. The investigators job is to provide evidence to prove they WERE speeding - not just claim they were and call it a day.
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1) Cant prove a negative. It is logically and mathematically impossible.

2) Last time I checked, people are innocent until proven guilty. The investigators job is to provide evidence to prove they WERE speeding - not just claim they were and call it a day.
Check more of my posts... They'll have a chance in court to prove otherwise. Logic would dictate the the 'investigators' did more then drive up, look and said they were 'speeding' or technicaly 'racing'... and the same process applies to the driver of the car.

Barring work related 'interuptions' I'll go through this thread and repost a 'notes' provided....and lets examine it.
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"The car was coming from mcdonalds onto westhiemer, the bikes came from out of nowhere,
hit and spun the car onto the median,"
Speed limit?
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"35-40 mph"
I'm pretty sure it's posted as 35

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is almost IMPOSSIBLE to jump out of that McDonalds. Theres a HUGE curb,
you have to do it slow or you bottom out bigtime. " - Morvegil
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"Investigators learned two Suzuki motorcycles were spotted traveling above the speed limit
west in the 9600 block of Westheimer at high speeds around 3:54 p.m. "
"As a tan Chrysler Concorde was leaving a Phillips 66 gas station and attempting to get
into the left turn lane, both motorcycles crashed into the left side of the car,
authorities said"
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"Okay people... Here is the real story of what happened. The two bikes where on westheimer
drag racing each other and where traveling at high speeds. The car did not see the bikes
and the bikes struck the vehicle. I am at ben taub now because I have to sit on the
riders. One of them is in critical condition and does not look good. The other is doing
good with some broken bones and other issues but is expected to make a recovery.
He is also facing criminal charges hence why I am having to stay with him at the hospital.
Neither one of these guys where wearing helmets..." - BadApple

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"eye witness' states they where racing. The one who is doing good said they where going really really fast." -Bad Apple
We've got what appears to be multiple reports of speed exceeding the posted limit, an accident investigator that attributes
speed as the cause of the accident. We have a statement from a leo-member that one of the riders admitted to going "Really, really fast".
Logic would imply (consider from a leo/investigator standpoint) because of multiple motorcycles involved, both traveling at comparative speeds which (by witness statements)
were exceeding the posted limit that racing was a strong likelyhood.

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the car ... or like last year the bike that cut the suv in half and killed 3 if i remember right"-badzx14r
Degree of damage is going to be dependent on speed, angle of impact, location of impact. Logic dicates
damage from a 90mph impact is going to be greater than that of a 50mph impact etc. 'High Speed' is relative
to the posted speed limit. 65 in a 55 isn't much compared to 65 ni a 30-35mph zone.
Impacting a large, weakly supported area vs a heavily support area are also going to display different
visual appearances.
Look at the strike areas... you don't think these might be stronger than a door? Heck, if I can find the
photos..I can show you an 80mph+ direct hit that left considerably less visible damage. Key word being visible.
Both bikes appear to have impacted the car at fairly solid areas, not potentially weaker points, like maybe dead center strike on a door.
(any mechanics/body guys able to confirm/disprove or comment on this?)




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1) Cant prove a negative. It is logically and mathematically impossible.
Don't expect him, anyone too... comment made to judge/assess reaction.

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2) Last time I checked, people are innocent until proven guilty. The investigators job is to
provide evidence to prove they WERE speeding - not just claim they were and call it a day.
Do you REALLY think the investigator just peeked out his window and arbitrarily decided the cause/fault
without actually examining the accident scene?
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It gets on my nerves, when people/cops/news find ANY way to make the seriously injured or possibly dead biker at fault when a car PULLS OUT in front of them. Bottom line, a car pulled out into oncoming traffic, irregardless to whether or not the oncoming was speeding that dumb a$$ shoulda took more caution in crossing 3-4 lns of traffic. If it was a car that hit the cager, speed would not even be in the discussion, or the cager coulda paid a costly mistake for what appeared to be HIS/HER impatient mistake.

Westheimer SUCKS, all the cagers take CRAZY chances to get out of driveways/side streets because traffic is coming continously and fast. People are NEVER patient enough to wait for clearance, and let's not even talk about the afternoon sun, which causes sudden blindness when it shines in the right direction. I typically make it a point to avoid that street when ever I'm on the bike.

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