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Old 06-03-2009, 05:26 PM   #1
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Hey guys,
I could really use some advice on this. I've done a handful of track days on a 600, but am looking into getting a 125cc - 250cc bike that I can turn into a dedicated track ho, but I have a number of questions about it. For anyone that can help, I'd appreciate it.

First, what are some of the options out there for this cc range? Obviously there's the Ninja 250, but I've also seen the Honda RS125, RS250, and an Aprilia 250(??). Any others that I should look into? I've seen that new Aprilia, but I'm wanting something cheaper.

Second, i have no intentions of ever racing, it'd be track days only. Do any of the local track orgs. have a cc minimum? I know it's probably a stupid Q, but I'm looking at least nothing smaller than a 125. Would any of the track orgs. not allow these cc bikes?

I have some other follow up Qs, but I'll hold off so I don't inundate you all. Thanks for the advice!
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Old 06-03-2009, 05:51 PM   #2
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No minimum cc range for trackdays. I have seen a couple of 125cc and 250cc bikes running in the intermediate and advanced groups, and holding there own (even passing a few 600's).

As for owning a 2 stroke GP bike, I hope you are mechanically inclined and don't mind tinkering with the bike to get it to run properly. I would say that unless you plan on racing in a 2 stroke GP class, or are just a 2 stroke fanatic, I would stick with a 4 stroke bike. 2 stroke GP bikes are not for beginners either, don't let the cc's fool you, they are quick!

Ninja 250 and 500 are good starting options. Both bikes can be good learning tools on the track, and can be made into pretty quick bikes in the right hands.

If you say you have done a handfull of trackdays on a 600, why not stay with a 600?
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2-strokes are something that you need to have a considerable amount of mechanical expertise to own unless you are able to pay someone to keep it up for you.

Ride Smart 125/250's are pretty expensive initially, most people who own them are pretty proud of them. I certainly see an attraction to those bikes, if I were a smaller fella I'd have one fo sho.

If you're looking for a dedicated track bike, SV650 is my personal fave. If you get a Ninja 250, the tracks with bigger straights and faster corners may not be as much fun for you. A RS250 Honda (or Yamaha TZ250) will certainly be fun there though...

The thing that drives me away from 2 stokes the most is the upkeep and maintenance. Of course if you're mechanically inclined, that's not much of an issue at all.

So for me, SV650, Ninja 650, or any of the middle weight 600's should fill the bill nicely financially and on the track.
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Stay away from the 2 strokes like Tom said.
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Thanks for the quick replies. Yeah, not mechanically inclined enough, nor have the time to tinker w/ a two stroke.

McD, the 600 is k.i.a., and the wife and my family don't want me going to the track anymore b/c it's "too dangerous." that's a whole 'nother topic of conversation, but I figure a good compromise is to get a smaller displacement bike. Hence the 250 discussion (I'd like to get a SV650 or another SS600, but alas that's not really an option for track use). And, the wife's not completely opposed to this idea. Not to mention, the 250 option is much cheaper than a SS600.

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Thanks for the quick replies. Yeah, not mechanically inclined enough, nor have the time to tinker w/ a two stroke.

McD, the 600 is k.i.a., and the wife and my family don't want me going to the track anymore b/c it's "too dangerous." that's a whole 'nother topic of conversation, but I figure a good compromise is to get a smaller displacement bike. Hence the 250 discussion (I'd like to get a SV650 or another SS600, but alas that's not really an option for track use). And, the wife's not completely opposed to this idea. Not to mention, the 250 option is much cheaper than a SS600.
The Ride Smart/TZ 250s are every bit as potent as a middle weight superbike. With a GP chassis they're killer track bikes in the right hands.

Sounds like you have other issues to work out... riding on the track can be dangerous on any bike, doesn't matter what size the engine is. They'll realize that soon enough once you crash on a smaller bike.

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McD, the 600 is k.i.a.
Not sure I follow you on that one? K.I.A.? I am not too internet lingo saavy.

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the wife and my family don't want me going to the track anymore b/c it's "too dangerous." that's a whole 'nother topic of conversation, but I figure a good compromise is to get a smaller displacement bike.
Don't really understand your argument on that one either. A smaller displacement bike doesnt mean it is any safer. Especially the 2 strokes, like I mentioned in my first post.

The track is a safe place to ride as long as you know your limits, and respect them. I feel much safer at the track than I do riding on the road, that is why I gave up the road riding. The track is a much more controlled environment.
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k.i.a. = killed in action. The bike is no more.

I understand and appreciate that a smaller displacement bike doesn't make the track any safer. But, since the only options are 1) no track or 2) possibly track but w/ a 250, I'm going w/ #2.
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And, I'm staying away from the 2 strokes based on the above.
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[QUOTE=mcd;2024356]
Don't really understand your argument on that one either. [QUOTE]

ps - it's not an argument, but more like a fleecing.
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k.i.a. = killed in action. The bike is no more.

I understand and appreciate that a smaller displacement bike doesn't make the track any safer. But, since the only options are 1) no track or 2) possibly track but w/ a 250, I'm going w/ #2.

I agree, #2 is definantly a better option!

If inline 600's are out of the question, I would vote for an SV650 also.
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Also might consider racing with TMGP on minis if you cannot get another big bike.
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Try taking a hit off the motard crack pipe. You can pick up a used one for track only usually pretty cheap (around 2k-3K for a WR or XR). If you get a honda XR or Yamaha 400,426,450 then it's a good low maintenance option. With KTM's and the CRF450 variants aren't bad, but do require frequent oil changes. A drz400 is also nice with very low maintenance.

Also another good choice is find a Hawk GT or EX500 that was set already set up. Cheap, reliable, and fun, although an SV is faster, I think the Hawk handles better.

If you have to have a two smoke, go for an old Aprilia Cup Bike 250cc. Not too bad to maintain, but you still need some mechanical skills.

Check out supermotojunkie.com for classifieds. They have smaller displacement models also.

There is a link on TWT for a really nice XR650R with motard and dirt set up for 4K.

http://www.twtex.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40164
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Ninja 250's are fun and can be made to go faster than most can ride them.

We build alot of Ninja 250 road racers. If you want some help w/ that just PM me.
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Yep, at a TMGP/CMRA cross over at Henderson last year, I saw some guys tearing up the track on Ninja 250's. The newer styled ones seemed to be set up a little better. Very good choice also.

Out of curiosity, the older ones are so cheap now, what all would be involved to make one trackworthy?

Not trying to hi-jack, just wondering what mods are recommended.

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Yep, at a TMGP/CMRA cross over at Henderson last year, I saw some guys tearing up the track on Ninja 250's. The newer styled ones seemed to be set up a little better. Very good choice also.

Out of curiosity, the older ones are so cheap now, what all would be involved to make one trackworthy?

Not trying to hi-jack, just wondering what mods are recommended.

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I don't think you are hijacking this as this is one of the bikes the OP was asking about. Plus I am curious as well.
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Ninja 250, CB1, FZR400 SV650, EX500

Stay away from the 2 strokes like Tom said.
fzr 400 ftw! I love mine used it at the track for first time 2weeks ago. its a full track bike
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