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Old 05-27-2009, 06:24 PM   #21
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At that speed swerve was the only option. Even at half of that speed that van probably would have killed him. Depending on what I saw, I may have actually went to the other side of the van.
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Old 05-27-2009, 07:02 PM   #22
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I think he was moving a bit quick through that area that obviously had alot going on.. he really would have been boned if the car would have decided to pull out too.

+1 for brake! shoulda seen that comming, expect them to pull out, be pleasantly surprised when they dont.
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Old 05-27-2009, 07:16 PM   #23
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Generally, IMHO swerving is the best option because you can often avoid things that you can not stop for. A bike at 50+mph takes a loong time to slow to a speed that isn't going to grind serious meat from your carcass.
Good point.

Here's an interesting Motorcycle stopping distance calculator.

http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/to...?TOPIC_ID=4673
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Old 05-27-2009, 07:17 PM   #24
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It's really hard to guess what the rider saw or when he picked up that the van. We never get to see where he was coming from, it could have been a blind curve or a straightaway. The best we can do is figure the guy (or gal) had at least 2.5 seconds from the time the van's tire touches the center line.

I know that's not enough time to stop, but it is enough time to scrub off a lot of speed. If that van goes any faster the rider hits it at full speed and probably ends up dead.
2.5 seconds? That is an eternity to brake, depending on speed. My crappy connection has yet to let the video load, but it sounds like people need to practice and learn their brakes.
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Old 05-27-2009, 07:19 PM   #25
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2.5 seconds? That is an eternity to brake, depending on speed. My crappy connection has yet to let the video load, but it sounds like people need to practice and learn their brakes.
He was going pretty fast. If he had started an emergency brake right when the van tire crosses the center line, he still doesn't stop in time.
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Old 05-27-2009, 07:26 PM   #26
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I need to go out and play and actually measure stopping distances some time. I know from 20-30 mph I can stop almost instantly; 50+ obviously takes longer, but I always ride with one or two fingers on the front brake to save that reaction time.

Different bikes stop in different ways, but it behooves anyone who rides on the street to take the time to get familiar with threshold braking and practice until it is second nature.

Case in point. I took the ZX12 that I have been working on down for inspection. I haven't ridden the bike much but a little around the hood. The inspector says roll across the lot about 20 and stop as quick as you can to check the brakes. So I zip up to 30 or so and squeeze a couple fingers on the brake.. and execute the perfect stoppy, rear tire dangling a couple feet in the air. Not planned at all, on my Bandit it would have just stopped. Just goes to show you need to practice on YOUR bike and get comfortable.
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Old 05-27-2009, 07:36 PM   #27
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if you like to ride fast, try stoping from speed and see how long (distance and time it takes). NO way could he have stoped or slowed down enough to not be FUBAR'd, ironically 2 wrongs made the best out of a crappy situation here but only by chance since the truck saw him at the last second.
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Old 05-27-2009, 07:50 PM   #28
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in that situation, assuming he didnt assume the van wasnt going to stop....lol
which obviously he didnt. There was little to no time to slow enough. I think he could have rode it out. looks like the fixated on the side of the road, and didnt swerve back over.
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Old 05-27-2009, 08:40 PM   #29
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It's really hard to guess what the rider saw or when he picked up that the van. We never get to see where he was coming from, it could have been a blind curve or a straightaway. The best we can do is figure the guy (or gal) had at least 2.5 seconds from the time the van's tire touches the center line.

I know that's not enough time to stop, but it is enough time to scrub off a lot of speed. If that van goes any faster the rider hits it at full speed and probably ends up dead.
That van was slowing down, preparing to turn left, with its left turn signal on, way before that 2.5 seconds.

This appears to be a situation where friends/spectators gather to film their buddies take that curve at high speeds. This would explain why there was a guy with a video camera, along with other spectators, standing there in the first place. Driver of van was very likely distracted by the idiots standing around at the entry to that road, since he didn't want to hit anyone standing around.

Rider was going way too fast, and upon seeing the van (obviously) slowing down with its left turn signal on, he should have slowed down himself and anticipated the #1 killer of motorcyclists... left turning vehicles.

Rider was f*cked either way, whether he braked or swerved. Although if his reflexes were quick enough, he may have had a chance to swerve back onto the road immediately after barely passing the van. he probably target-fixated the edge of the road, when he should have stayed focused on where he wanted to go. Although I admit this is easier said than done, especially in this scenario.
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Old 05-27-2009, 09:14 PM   #30
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There is 2.5-3.0 seconds from when the van's tire touches the center line. At that point I'm braking and assuming that the guy is going to finish his turn. Swerve is high risk high reward. You either make it, or like this dude, slam into the rocks at full speed. Braking offers less risk, in my opinion, but less reward. Braking full on means you probably hit that van.
Intrinzik, not to call you out but haven't you only been riding for 3 months?

I know what the "book" says but not sure in this specific situation its applicable. We're talking about maybe 3 seconds.

So I'm clear, you're suggesting getting on the breaks, keeping the bike in a straight line, and if time allows serve at the last second. Why not change our oil while we're at it? We've got a whole 3 seconds after all...
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Old 05-27-2009, 09:22 PM   #31
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Two choices:

1. Hit the van and die

2. Thread yourself between the van and the car and bin it

I'd say he made the right choice
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Old 05-27-2009, 10:49 PM   #32
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1. Hit the van and die

2. Thread yourself between the van and the car and bin it

I'd say he made the right choice
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3. ride within some sane resemblance of the speed limit!

The entire situation, and ensuing pain, would have probably not been an issue....
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Old 05-27-2009, 11:12 PM   #33
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I've been in this situation before without any indication the car was going to cut me off. I didn't even know what was going on before adrenaline kicked in and I got epic tunnel vision. I heard the tires sqealing, so I know I instinctively hit the breaks, but swerving seems like an after thought when faced with this kind of situation.

I voted to brake, because if you shave off speed you are less likely to sustain major injury in a situation where injury is unavoidable.
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Old 05-27-2009, 11:25 PM   #34
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i'da LEANED that ho.


i take it back...after watching the vid closer, you can see his brake lights on for just a sec..but even if he really cranked it, there was a lot of dirt right there at the side. i would have leaned though.

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Old 05-28-2009, 12:36 AM   #35
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Old 05-28-2009, 12:05 PM   #36
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LMAO! Just saw this post from work.. Man oh man... Well played Sir. Well played. Understand that this means WAR!!!
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Old 05-28-2009, 12:21 PM   #37
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LMAO!! Why you got to bring up old Stuff. Well played Sir, well played. Consider yourself uninvited from any future rides. I hope you know this means WAR!
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