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Old 05-27-2009, 02:03 PM   #1
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Brake or swerve

This video is probably a repost, but I'd like to get everyone's opinion. In this situation do you:

http://www.dpccars.com/motorcycle-08...into-a-van.htm

A) Brake

or

B) Swerve

Only two options.
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Old 05-27-2009, 02:07 PM   #2
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There is 2.5-3.0 seconds from when the van's tire touches the center line. At that point I'm braking and assuming that the guy is going to finish his turn. Swerve is high risk high reward. You either make it, or like this dude, slam into the rocks at full speed. Braking offers less risk, in my opinion, but less reward. Braking full on means you probably hit that van.
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Old 05-27-2009, 02:09 PM   #3
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so assuming I'm the guy about the hit the van headon...I would like to also assume I saw the van and the blinker early enough to allow time for braking.
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It's really hard to guess what the rider saw or when he picked up that the van. We never get to see where he was coming from, it could have been a blind curve or a straightaway. The best we can do is figure the guy (or gal) had at least 2.5 seconds from the time the van's tire touches the center line.

I know that's not enough time to stop, but it is enough time to scrub off a lot of speed. If that van goes any faster the rider hits it at full speed and probably ends up dead.
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knowing me I would have slammed on both front and rear brakes and prepared for impact....i certainly wouldn't have had the to fly off in the ditch like that guy did.
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i would try a combination of braking and swerving.
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Old 05-27-2009, 03:45 PM   #7
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i would try a combination of braking and swerving.
+1 i would have been paying attention also to a big a$$ van sitting there with its blinker on and assumed they did not see me and slowed down before it came to that............
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PLAN C... Not hit the rock head on. In reality a Combo of both.... mostly breaking if i had to say, but I know I would react different in an unplanned situation.
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id swerve theres no way im gonna slam into a van that fast, ill take the risk with the ditch and rocks where i can slide and not just slam into a unmovable object i.e. van
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Its a tough call, if you swerve theres the nose of a car right on the outside of the lane and then if you dont hit that threres the wall of rocks!!.....If you brake your probably not going to stop all the way and end up hitting something. Who knows where a combo of both would have put you.....

If you ask me, he was F***ed the second that he didnt assume that van wasnt going to turn.....
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was he moving at triple digit speeds? Looks as if when he hit point of impact.... he ejected left......hmmm is the rider alive?
Definitely I would swerve (i also have 1-3mths experience)
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i used to be the dodging type now i just brake and it tends to work for me

in this situation it was a lose/lose

braking=hit van

swerve went straight into the hill

but whose really at fault, if the bike hits the van then its a total diff concept on insurance as the bike obviously was blowing the speed limit
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I feel like whatever happens on the road is always my fault. MCs are inherently dangerous and difficult to see. I think you have to own up to the responsibility to prevent accidents. Whether the other person 'technically' has the right-of-way is irrelevant because while he may or may not be right, it's our that's on the line. I don't think that this philosophy covers every situation, but that's the way I feel about riding. It's up to me. It's my responsibility. If I crash, it's on me. I see a lot of riders 'blaming' others when if they had taken some simple steps they could have avoided the situation entirely.

A buddy sent this video to me, and we were going back and forth about what the rider 'should' have done. It's really a crappy situation, but with the van, the car, and the rocks, I really think braking is the best solution. I almost think this guy got lucky by hitting the rocks. Had he hit the fan or car at full speed it could have been much worse.

Also, I think that the speed of the rider in the video is slightly deceptive. I think he was probably going 55 or so, but the angle makes it seem much faster.
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braking???? No way. That guy was going way to fast for that spot, especially with a fan with blinker, pedestrians at edge of road, the camera guy, etc. Not thinking ahead. SWERVE was the only option for someone who was riding the street too much like a track. Brake?? Come on, he was going to fast to effectively miss. I think he did the best with that poor situation, dodged slightly, and hit the ground...

BUT don't you think he could have maintained control? Didn't have to swerve that much... more like he panicked and swerved and slid, rather than correcting back. Not saying I would do better, but couldn't he have controlled that better?
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Yeah, he was going too fast when you see him entire the video - but what if he had started braking when the van touched the center line? Might not he have been much better off?

I'll be the first to admit I'm no expert....and I'm glad everybody has an opinion on this. Seems like the general consensus is that the rider should have been paying better attention.
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too fast for conditions ( i.e. traffic ), and not paying enough attention on both parties ( biker, and van driver )
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The situation being what it was, there was no good outcome.
He could have scrubbed speed and hit the van, but he still would have been way too fast for that to have been good.
Swerving was his best chance and he almost made it.

Generally, IMHO swerving is the best option because you can often avoid things that you can not stop for. A bike at 50+mph takes a loong time to slow to a speed that isn't going to grind serious meat from your carcass.
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