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Old 05-11-2009, 11:32 PM   #21
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depending on your size i would say a 2 stroke 250 from any of the big four would be the way to go. plenty around still. parts are cheap. bikes are simple. plenty of power. and are full size. and could probably get a quality one for anywhere from 2 gs to brand new ive seen left overs go for like 5gs. or if your a smaller person. then tell me and ill think of something lol
im about 200lbs, and 6ft. so i wouldent say im small. but im looking for somehting 100-150cc, i want something that size down from a 250, ill be riding where its quite tight, may need to stradle the bike and walk it aroundin a few places if not me and a buddy pick that hoe up and get around some nasty mud/water/deep ruts. plus itll be a good starter i think before going bigger. wanted a yz250 for a while but after hoping on a xr100 i dont think i can give it up.
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2 strokes = da ...... when riding dirt or mud . per -ree -ould
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i guess get a 125. but there goes the low end
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i guess get a 125. but there goes the low end
its not that hard to do a slight change on gearing to get better low end. My bike is 100% stock and think its very evenly balanced when it comes to low end torque and upper end stuff. I have done everything with it. Mountain climbing, dunes,backwoods trail riding, MX track and concrete racing.
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100/125/& 150's 4 strokes are turds , purr ree edd
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these guys are pros and there are just as many 2 strokes as 4. if not more. i have never done woods riding but i would think a 2 stroke 250 would be ideal because they are the most power with the lightest bike



these are just weekend guys and they seem to do fine with the 2 stroke


it doesnt even lose that much.

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The modern 2 stroke dirt bike engine is a work of art. The real magic is in the simplicity of it. The 'power center' has only three primary moving parts... the piston, connecting rod, and crankshaft.









Unlike 4 strokes, the 2 stroke engine does not have valves. This contributes to their lighter weight.
The two stroke engine fires (produces power) once every revolution of the crankshaft. Whereas a four stroke fires once every other revolution.

To break it down further for you... every time the piston rises in the combustion chamber, it fills with a carefully balanced combination of air, petrol and oil. This is compressed and then ignited by the spark plug, causing an explosion which forces the piston back down. This process repeats. Two strokes of the piston for every one ignition. A compression stroke, and a combustion stroke.

This is why the two stroke engine can pack twice the amount of 'bang' than an equivalent sized four stroker, which requires four strokes of the piston to get one ignition.

Now, if you've ever ridden a 2 stroke dirt bike or been around them racing, you will know of that beautiful (but not so good for the environment) smell of burning two stroke mix. This is because a 2 stroke motor has no other way of lubricating the crankshaft bearings, connecting rod or cylinder wall other than adding a special high performance two stroke oil to the petrol. It is the burning of this oil that causes so much pollution and damage to the environment.
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its not that hard to do a slight change on gearing to get better low end. My bike is 100% stock and think its very evenly balanced when it comes to low end torque and upper end stuff. I have done everything with it. Mountain climbing, dunes,backwoods trail riding, MX track and concrete racing.
your a girl so you "think" it has some . i wanna see your ride a kx 85 lol..i bet that think would chunk your off lol. just messing with ya. look at it like this. when you blow a 4 stroke up you better bend over $$$$$$$$$ 2 strokes are cheap to fix and a alot easier to fix..plus 4 strokes over heat in the woods. that's why i don't use them for mud or woods riding
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your a girl so you "think" it has some . i wanna see your ride a kx 85 lol..i bet that think would chunk your off lol. just messing with ya. look at it like this. when you blow a 4 stroke up you better bend over $$$$$$$$$ 2 strokes are cheap to fix and a alot easier to fix..plus 4 strokes over heat in the woods. that's why i don't use them for mud or woods riding
them are fighting words and i NEVER once said it had


i never had a problem with over heating. I rode my in AZ 115F heat regularly... If it was gonna have an overheating problem it woulda done it there... also dont blow your up. thats just retarded. then you deserve to pay out the to fix it.
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Old 05-12-2009, 08:37 AM   #32
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Iam talking about bigger bikes.plus you don't ride your bike hard.if you want to go hit some trails with the big boys let me know lol. Iam a bike tech so I don't get screwed when I blow my up
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Old 05-12-2009, 08:48 AM   #33
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If your 6ft 200lbs.. you need either a 250f or a 250 ... besides in theory, if your riding a Busa you should be "used to power" so leave the kiddie bikes alone and just man up.
Another thing to consider is.. the whole 4 stroke maintnece thing.. your NOT racing the bike, you can just go out and lug it around for years no problem..
I loved my CRF 250 ..very forgiving vs my RM250 that was an Ex-race bike... Bryce rode it!
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so i went out to crosby this weekend and borrowed a buddies xr100r and just had a blast. ive been wanting a dirtbike for some time now but now im sure im set on getting one. id like to get get something small like that honda but just want some guideance on what route to go. what are the pros/cons of going 2 stroke or 4 stroke? also, just in general what would yall suggest for something in the 100-150cc range. id like to get something with some . ive done a little lurking on craigslist and come accross bikes such as a ktm125sx or crf150's and such. just not sure on the real difference between the 2stokes and 4. any input would be helpfull. oh and my main use for it would be to just play around on, no racing and whatnot.

if you want a bike "with some " get you a KX500 or a CR500.. more power than you will ever need. haha

or just get a CRF250
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Stay away from the 4 strokes. They are for girls. Get you a cr250 about a 99 model. you should be able to find one around 2 g's. They are real fast and will be able to take your weight. they also jump nice and can take alot of abuse. I have 3 2stroke dirtbikes a 2stroke 4wheeler and 2 4stroke dirtbikes. 4strokes are nice to just cruise around on but are no fun and don't sound as cool as a 2stroke. you can rebuild a 2stroke in a couple hours if you have your parts on you. Also if you pay about 2g's for a 250 you can sell it for that in a year or 2 if its not f'd up. you might could get away with a 125 if you weren't trying to haul anywhere. my $0.02
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This is the bike you need. Torque, big enough for you, nimple, very durable.

I got it in a trade, and have only had time to take it out twice. It has less then 30 hours on it TOTAL. I am willing to go lower on the price.

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Old 05-12-2009, 11:39 AM   #38
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Lots of crazy advice for a guy who admits he had a blast riding an XR100. I trail rode my various XR100's for years and moved up to a CRF150F. Love it. I can ride it pretty hard, it's slow but has enough power to entertain me, and the suspension lets me stay seated over roots and bumps. I've had cr125's, YZ125's, RM250's, XR's... I have an XR400. It's big and fast and a great woods bike. But also very heavy, hard to lift, hard to u-turn, etc... Each bike has a general purpose in mind when built. Based on what you state above I'd look at the following bikes, in order from XR100 to XR250. I'd stay away from full size motorcross two strokes and four strokes, unless you plan to hit the track and really need power and suspension.

As far as four strokes go, moving up from an XR100 kinda goes like this, from Honda nad Yamaha mainly, that's what I know. (weights are my relative guesses). All are ultra low maintenance trail bikes (oil every 3 months, piston once a decade):


16/19 smaller wheeled bikes:

XR 80/100 5-6 HP, no suspension, terrible brakes 180 lbs 45 mph

TTR 125 10 HP, basic suspension, front disk, e start available 190 lbs 50 mph

CRF150F 12 HP, good woods suspension, front disk, e start after 2006 220 lbs 55 mph

18 / 21 inch wheel bikes, smaller in stature than full size motorcross / enduros:

XR200 (replaced by CRF230) 14 HP, kick start, headlight!, 230 lbs, 75 MPH, ultra reliable, drum brake is lacking, but they are cheap.

TTR 225/230 16 HP, disks, e-start, kinda heavy 240 lbs 65-70 mph, great all around play bike

CRF230F 16 HP, same body as 150F above with bigger bore, wheels 220 lbs Available in dual sport 65-70 mph great play bike, can ride motorcross if you don't mind having to opt out on the bigger jumps.

XR250 18 HP, almost full size, 240 lbs, nice all around trail bike, 240 lbs 75-80 MPH, available in dual sport version, can do limited motorcross.

KLX250F, nicely redone for 2009, 19 HP, nice features and comfort, 250 lbs, Available in dual sport 85 mph, basically the same as an XR250, with more performance.

Above that, you're in a different league of riding. Less play, more serious. All of these bikes offer advantages over "real" dirt bikes:

1. Less tire wear
2. Virtually maintenance free
3. Easy to control power delivery, so anyone can ride. Good for inexperienced friends / wives / kids
4. Easy to buy and sell with a ready market and little depreciation. People buying in this category don't want / need latest and greatest bikes.
5. Less chance for injury, all things equal
6. Lower seat heights help woods and mud riding
7. No premix of gas, can almost all be run on 87 pump.
8. Quiet exhaust - neighborhood friendly
9. Indifferent to state of tune: no jetting or fiddling required for high altitudes or winter / summer temps. Just kick (or press magic button) and ride.
10. Some street legal
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I really want a crf 150, I,m small, but I have a nice 95 xr 250 with a baja kit (street legal I would make U a good deal on, I have a blast on my xr and crf 70,s, pm me if anyone is interested
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