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Old 05-13-2009, 04:28 PM   #81
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So your argument is that laws which attempt to control behavior through negative reinforcement should be done away with, such as the school zone law, because it doesn't stop bad behavior. If a law doesn't completely stop behavior then what is the point of having it right? Then what would you suggest? What other means could you use to prevent people from doing something wrong? Positive reinforcement and if/how so?
Education? Just a thought.

For example - do you need a law to tell you not to jump off a bridge? No - because you know you're going to make a big ugly mess and die when you hit bottom. You learned this by falling shorter distances as a kid.

Laws cannot possibly stop behavior. They can merely punish certain acts. That is all you can do. Unless an action directly violates anothers rights, making that action illegal is ultimately counter-productive.
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totally agree with you on that one. And that's the great thing about democracy. If only everyone who agrees would come together and vote, that could easily change.
Good thing we don't live in a democracy.
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well its like this. you dont have to smoke in that area. you do on the other hand have to breathe. just because its part of your lifestyle doesnt mean you have to make it part of mine. im sure you wouldnt want to ***gots making out at the table next to you. but i see where your going.
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well its like this. you dont have to smoke in that area. you do on the other hand have to breathe. just because its part of your lifestyle doesnt mean you have to make it part of mine. im sure you wouldnt want to ***gots making out at the table next to you. but i see where your going.
Well see, its like this - you can move just as well as I can, and you can ask me to put it out.

Incidentally, I am forced by law to tolerate public displays of affection unless I want to remove myself from the area. Complaining about an hetero couple doing it would simply result in the hetero couple being told to get a room. Complaining about the homosexual couple doing it could earn me a hate crimes charge - but THAT is a whole different argument.
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boy you guys are all over the map. being trapped in a confined space where you dont have a choice of what to breathe is FAR different than if I can decide what gear I need for the conditions.
The point i was making was about the slippery slope argument. When anti-smoking legislation started, it was just about smoking in an airplane - and people promised it would never affect anything else. That was only about 15 years ago. Look where we are now. Cant smoke in some entire cities.
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these debates can go on forever. i personally dont like to smell smoke if im eating. do i care if you smoke in my presences no. i feel it was fair to ban smoking in resturants. i do not feel it was fair to ban smoking in bars. if i could wak around with a hooka id smoke all the time too
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these debates can go on forever. i personally dont like to smell smoke if im eating. do i care if you smoke in my presences no. i feel it was fair to ban smoking in resturants. i do not feel it was fair to ban smoking in bars. if i could wak around with a hooka id smoke all the time too
By what authority do you believe anyone could tell the property owner of a restaurant that he could not allow smoking?

It all comes down to the same thing - once you let people get away with usurping their authority and controlling minor aspects of your life, you may as well write off whatever freedoms you had - because they will ALL be taken away at some point.
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you may as well write off whatever freedoms you had - because they will ALL be taken away at some point.

well how does that saying go... you have rights as long as they dont infringe on anybody esles rights.


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aside - what's stopping you? other than the popo not liking that you're puffing on a bong in public. tobacco is still legal (mostly)

too big to tote around. and i could give a **** less what the police. alot of the problems start with those lazy .
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I I am not happy when people tell me what to do - I am an ADULT and I know what is best for ME.
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that still apply when squoddy tells you what to do. oh and we havent met. name is phillip and i hope your having a blast on your new bike
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"well its like this. you dont have to smoke in that area. you do on the other hand have to breathe. just because its part of your lifestyle doesnt mean you have to make it part of mine. "

Nothing forces you to enter the resturaunt that allows smoking in it's establishment. You're not going to starve to death in the commute.

I doubt the open sewer, and fumes/smoke from the metro bus are any healthier than the cigarrette smoke near the bar/pub. I have less 'choice' or protection' from that ... than 'second hand' tobacco smoke.
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I hear India doesn't have a helmet law. Isn't there somewhere in Africa where you can wear whatever tf you want on your head? Just a sec, lemme find a BLOG post with no official "sources" referenced to confirm that.

DEAL with it. Unless you're running for congress and can convince your chums to pass a bill making it completely legal, pay your 5 dollars and prance around without your helmet on. I will laugh at you, just like the other cool guys that are helmetless. No ghey wave from me either. How bout a finger instead?
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I go to school one day, BAM BAM BAMM! Some guy who's girlfriend dumped him the day before decides to unload. I'm dead along with 12 other people. I had no choice.

At least on my bike I have a +/- 85% chance of seeing something/knowing something/appropriately adjusting for something that is going to happen.

I like the choice to decide whether or not to wear a helmet. My life is the ONLY thing In this entire world I ACTUALLY have any authority over. And I ALONE have that authority.
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how did you come up with that percentage.
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Old 05-13-2009, 11:32 PM   #98
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I pulled it out of my booty really

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It's all the same, WE're in control.
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baby jesus is in control really. that is if you believe in him. i do, i also believe in predetermined destiny. i will go when my card is pulled.
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I'll pull my OWN cards.

And I'll put on my own helmet. Or not! Everyone has the right to choose.
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