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Old 05-11-2009, 09:47 AM   #101
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Curt if you could solve this on paper maybe you wouldn't get smoked by 600's anymore......
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Curt if you could solve this on paper maybe you wouldn't get smoked by 600's anymore......
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Old 05-12-2009, 10:00 AM   #103
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Old 05-12-2009, 10:02 AM   #104
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stay on the gas, lean more, an repeat OH FVCK OH FVCK OH FVCK!
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Old 05-12-2009, 10:03 AM   #105
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Old 05-18-2009, 06:26 AM   #107
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ok well I had a chance to test this over the weekende at hallett. Got pushed wide by a faster racer and had 2 options either stand it up and run off or try to save the turn. I gave it some gas-just a steady and smooth increase of throttle throughout the remainder of the turn. I was able to save the turn and plenty of tme.
Now the other end of it I got to test also. The is a turn they call the bus stop. Pretty much a 1st gear 10 mph turn. your are coming downhill and have a left you dogleg then stand the bike up grab a ch1t load of brakes and go to 1st gear, I missed first gear put it in neutral. I tried to grab brakes and make the turn. Nope ran off track and ended up in the mud.

You can make your own choice just my experience.
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There could be a little debate on this.

I roll off the throttle a tad, not off completely...using a bit of engine braking, coupled with a tad of front brake (if necessary) and very light counter steering...along with the given weighting of the inside peg and looking harder and further through teh turn. I typically know, before turning in, if I am too hot for my skill level...so I also just stay on the brakes as deep, into the turn, as I possibly can.
So are you front braking while on the throttle?
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Old 01-14-2013, 07:25 PM   #109
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gas it it more and lean and counter steer
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So are you front braking while on the throttle?
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No. I don't apply front brake pressure while applying throttle.
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Old 01-14-2013, 08:15 PM   #111
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Last year at TWS (Texas World Speedway), I found myself in very bad situation, I was coming out of turn 11 heading into turn 12 making a pass on the short straight between the turns. As I made the inside pass, I let off the throttle, and there was no OFF THROTTLE. ! IT'S STUCK WIDE EFFING OPEN.

I went into turn 12 full blast, I was hard on the front brakes after I made the turn, killed the ignition, straightened the bike up and went off the track right after turn 12 at an angle. Immediately off the front brakes the second my bike left the asphault and on the back brakes.

Put my mountain biking skills to use and saved the day, brought the bike to a stop. Got a push from an instrictor back to the pits. Found a seized up linkage on one of the two throttle bodies on my 996. Pulled the part off, cleaned it up, went back to the track for the rest of the day.

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hold it..hold it....and hold some more.....like brandt said look harder into the turn... as far as throttle, I learned not no add more when adding lean angle, so in this sense it may depend on how much I have and if I can react....with so many of these, I find that I can now pull it in better like Thomas said...
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Old 01-14-2013, 10:42 PM   #113
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Are we talking about running wide at corner entry or corner exit?

If running wide at corner entry:
we are already off the gas and trail braking
we are hanging off the bike
if possible, hang off more (lower & inside), this will tighten radius
If necessary, provide another steering input or
Stand up bike

Note: I will not stand up bike, because my current abilities do not allow the option to bail out and still make a commitment to the turn.

If we are running wide at corner exit:
We are Accelerating
Acceleration is driving us to the outside of the track
Steer with the Throttle, reduce acceleration rate

If I got it wrong, let me know!
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Old 01-14-2013, 11:12 PM   #114
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I exhale, yell, relax an bend my arms, force myself to look up and where I want the bike to go, get my off the seat, lean foreword, get on the gas,and counter steer. Sorry for the run on sentence.
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Old 01-14-2013, 11:20 PM   #115
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Old 01-14-2013, 11:29 PM   #116
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Old 01-14-2013, 11:32 PM   #117
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Lots of physics thrown around in here, but its not that straight forward.

The real reason getting on the gas will actually tighten your arc instead of run you wider like you would think is that you're changing the wheelbase of the motorcycle. Trail braking works for the same reason. The rear wheel doesn't move straight up & down. It "swings" on an arc...ie swing arm.

Personally a nice steady pressure on the rear brake & either smooth throttle or engine braking is how I usually handle it. No wavering inputs or the suspension will unsettle. Whatever you do you have to fight the urge to grab the clutch. That's game over
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Lots of physics thrown around in here, but its not that straight forward.

The real reason getting on the gas will actually tighten your arc instead of run you wider like you would think is that you're changing the wheelbase of the motorcycle. Trail braking works for the same reason. The rear wheel doesn't move straight up & down. It "swings" on an arc...ie swing arm.

Personally a nice steady pressure on the rear brake & either smooth throttle or engine braking is how I usually handle it. No wavering inputs or the suspension will unsettle. Whatever you do you have to fight the urge to grab the clutch. That's game over
Rear brake? U got to be kidding.
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Trail breaking. It does not apply to scooters.
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