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Old 05-08-2009, 12:11 PM   #41
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i would have a hard time believing that if he called his insurance they would just eat. that is just negligent behavior from the H/C person. it was not an accident and with that photo it would prove they deliberatly pushed it over. that ramp doesnt slide out it folds out. so someone with enought strenght to push let alone stand must have knocked it over. they could have honked or gone inside to get the guy rather than do this immature . thats what is wrong with the world. people they they can do whatever they well please. park her destroy that. next you guys that park on the sidwalk are going to come out with you bike on the ground and guess what it will be your fault. its not a parking spot. just like the gridded area is not a parking spot. then what. youll come on here crying because you did nothing wrong. when in fact you really didnt just people are fuking crazy these days. the m/c is a for doing so though

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still at fault. if he had a handicapped plate he should have been parked correctly in the spot.



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how are you drawing such conclusions about the ramp and what the driver did or didn't do. you don't have an article or a video we simply have a picture. you cannot make sufficient conclusions on how exactly the bike got knocked over, whether somebody pushed the ram out, or if it is automated. There is not enough evidence to draw a conclusion like that.
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i can tell you though, his insurance will cover it, he will have to pay his deductible and chances are his rates will go up too.

There is no justification or excuse or exemption, he parked in a handicapped spot, he was wrong. For all we know the ramp and doors can be automatic and the driver wasn't aware it was going to hit the bike til it was too late? We don't know. All we can know for sure is that motorcycle is in a handicapped spot. And unless someone pushed it over there while the driver was inside, he is at fault.
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its pyro's fault lol
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If the ramp knocked the bike over then it's the van driver's fault.

I equate this to opening a car door and damaging someone else's car/bike. Granted the bike is parked in a no-parking space but it's not up to us as individuals to enforce parking laws or punish others for violating traffic/parking laws.

If someone blocks your driveway are you allowed to ram their car? I think not.
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when you're inconsiderate enough to park in a handicap zone, you shouldn't complaine when someone is equally inconsiderate to you.

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i dont park in the H.C. areas, but i do park on sidewalks where available. but that is still blockage to some extent.

example SAMS BOAT last night. very few if any bikes in parking lot, TONS-O-BIKES on the sidewalks everywhere.. what if disabled person wanted to party/eat at sams boat, but couldnt get the room. there was no entrance wide enough to get by. we werent taking up designated H.C. spots, but we werent allowing them access either. (from what i recollect) what would you do if H.C. person said "can this section of 50 bikes please move them so i can get by?"
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If the ramp knocked the bike over then it's the van driver's fault.

I equate this to opening a car door and damaging someone else's car/bike. Granted the bike is parked in a no-parking space but it's not up to us as individuals to enforce parking laws or punish others for violating traffic/parking laws.

If someone blocks your driveway are you allowed to ram their car? I think not.
Um...I am not so sure your 100% correct on that last part.
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Um...I am not so sure your 100% correct on that last part.
Try it. Let me know how it turns out.
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Try it. Let me know how it turns out.
I will have to look into. I am not saying your wrong, I am just saying that what happens to someone's car on your property is their own fault if they abandon it. I mean, if I owned say a auto salvage yard with a compactor. And someone left their car there for a few weeks without permission. I would compact the out of it.
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when you're inconsiderate enough to park in a handicap zone, you shouldn't complaine when someone is equally inconsiderate to you.

Personal responsibility means to take responsibility for your actions and anything that results directly from it.
It's inconsiderate but the biker didn't damage anyone's property. Van driver did.

And not to offend anyone, but I think H/C spaces are BS to begin with. I can understand van accessible spots like the one in the pic but most of the time there are too many H/C spaces. They sit there empty while the rest of the lot is full. Not only that half the people using them don't need 'em to begin with.
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ah, you know what.. we dont need to get into all sorts of debates on who was at fault.

as thread title suggests, "who was bigger as5hole" not "who was wrong" :P
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bike getting knocked over could have been accidental.. as pyro pointed out.

...bike being parked where it shouldn't, the bikers fault.

What do you think a cop would say if someone called the police dept on it? :-)


no, you probably cannot get away with ramming a vehicle blokcing you driveway... but you can probably get teh sucker towed off. And you might get away with ramming if you could claim/prove it was an emergency situation. who wants to try it and find out?
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bike getting knocked over could have been accidental.. as pyro pointed out.

...bike being parked where it shouldn't, the bikers fault.

What do you think a cop would say if someone called the police dept on it? :-)


no, you probably cannot get away with ramming a vehicle blokcing you driveway... but you can probably get teh sucker towed off. And you might get away with ramming if you could claim/prove it was an emergency situation. who wants to try it and find out?
everything he said!!!
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They sit there empty while the rest of the lot is full. Not only that half the people using them don't need 'em to begin with.
...because that extra 40 feet really is a for most non H/C, non-injured people to walk.
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bike getting knocked over could have been accidental.. as pyro pointed out.

...bike being parked where it shouldn't, the bikers fault.

What do you think a cop would say if someone called the police dept on it? :-)


no, you probably cannot get away with ramming a vehicle blokcing you driveway... but you can probably get teh sucker towed off. And you might get away with ramming if you could claim/prove it was an emergency situation. who wants to try it and find out?
maybe I can get a cheap car for a demo derby....anyone want to block my car in on my driveway?
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...because that extra 40 feet really is a for most non H/C, non-injured people to walk.
I don't think it's much of a difference to anyone to be honest. If someone has trouble walking 40' from the parking space TO the store they aren't gonna do much better walking around IN the store. Just my opinion though. Could be wrong.
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I don't think it's much of a difference to anyone to be honest. If someone has trouble walking 40' from the parking space TO the store they aren't gonna do much better walking around IN the store. Just my opinion though. Could be wrong.
Ever notice some of the stores have electric carts etc inside?
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Ever notice some of the stores have electric carts etc inside?
Where? Wal-Mart? Wal-Mart has 300 H/C spots and 2 carts. The folks that truly need H/C spots are BYOC. I'm not saying H/C spots aren't needed at all. Jus' saying theres too many of them and half of them are being abused.
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