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Old 05-07-2009, 11:44 AM   #41
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A LACK OF STREET LIGHTING MAY HAVE BEEN A FACTOR IN A DEADLY CRASH IN NORTHWEST HOUSTON.
INVESTIGATORS SAY A MOTORCYCLIST SLAMMED INTO A BLACK PICKUP ON F-M 19-60 NEAR MILLS ROAD THIS MORNING WHEN IT WAS STILL DARK.
THE MOTORCYCLIST DIED INSTANTLY, AND DEBRIS FROM HIS MANGLED BIKE WAS SCATTERED ON THE ROAD.
THE PICKUP FLIPPED ON ITS SIDE. THE DRIVER WAS TAKEN TO THE HOSPITAL TO BE TREATED FOR INJURIES
If the rider was doing the speed limit, the truck had to pull out and cut em off and i would think was broadsided in some manner. It might have been hard for the rider to see the truck, but doesn't expalin the truck pulling out in front of the rider.

If the rider was speeding... again light and can play a factor, kinda makes more sense for the truck being overturned and we can consider difficulty in making accurate closing assessment of a m/c.

Summary.. lack of street lighting sounds like a BS excuse for 'we don't know what happened'.
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Old 05-07-2009, 11:54 AM   #42
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wow thats sad, rip to the ridder
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If the rider was doing the speed limit, the truck had to pull out and cut em off and i would think was broadsided in some manner. It might have been hard for the rider to see the truck, but doesn't expalin the truck pulling out in front of the rider.

If the rider was speeding... again light and can play a factor, kinda makes more sense for the truck being overturned and we can consider difficulty in making accurate closing assessment of a m/c.

Summary.. lack of street lighting sounds like a BS excuse for 'we don't know what happened'.
We don't deal in speculation. We report what we witness or what we're told by authorities
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I read somewhere that the rider might have had a heart attack while riding.
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I read somewhere that the rider might have had a heart attack while riding.
I doubt you read that from any reliable news organization
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I doubt you read that from any reliable news organization
Reliable and News organization don't belong in the same sentence.
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Reliable and News organization don't belong in the same sentence.
Ok, well when you find what you "read", go ahead and post a link
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We don't deal in speculation. We report what we witness or what we're told by authorities
Then how fast was the bike going?? Hitting with enough force to turn a car over wont happen at the speed limit.
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Then how fast was the bike going?? Hitting with enough force to turn a car over wont happen at the speed limit.
It's still under investigation. An accident report will not be released any time soon when it involves a fatality
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speed was probably a factor but regardless of what happened, RIP
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Old 05-07-2009, 02:28 PM   #51
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We don't deal in speculation. We report what we witness or what we're told by authorities
Didn't ask or demand that you do.

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Maybe a week, doesn't stop them from giving a quick assessment of the accident cause.
MY commentary was speculation on my part based on the photos/ knowing the area. Since we have no additional informtion provided, there is nothing wrong with attempting to figure out how the accident took place.

'Lack of Street lighting'... "Street" lighting shouldn't seem to be neccessary... there's a reason why most street legal vehicles are equipped with headlights.
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"A LACK OF STREET LIGHTING MAY HAVE BEEN A FACTOR IN A DEADLY CRASH IN NORTHWEST HOUSTON.
INVESTIGATORS SAY A MOTORCYCLIST SLAMMED INTO A BLACK PICKUP ON F-M 19-60 NEAR MILLS ROAD THIS MORNING WHEN IT WAS STILL DARK.
THE MOTORCYCLIST DIED INSTANTLY, AND DEBRIS FROM HIS MANGLED BIKE WAS SCATTERED ON THE ROAD.
THE PICKUP FLIPPED ON ITS SIDE. THE DRIVER WAS TAKEN TO THE HOSPITAL TO BE TREATED FOR INJURIES.

Ah…you knew that this thread would turn a corner sooner or later; it’s no longer about a cyclist that died in an accident, it is now about news reporting methods. Okay, fine.

Reading this thread is like watching the news; this thread is full of conjecture and inaccuracy, maybe not conjured up by the news media themselves, but certainly propogated by the news media in an attempt to report a story.

I'm sure it's true that at the time the accident was reported, few had any real grasp on what really happened, but some things are logical and some things aren't. If a cop gave a statement to the press that a motorcycle hit a truck and turned it on it's side, and didn't report high rate of speed or anything else to help me understand how that could happen, I'm not sure I'd report it like that. Or, I might simply say, "Officers at the scene stated..." like they do sometimes, which removes the perception that I am creating and reporting incomplete and unverified by investigation data.

Never let the truth get in the way of a good story, they say.
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so sad... RIP.

Another reason I don't right at night/early morning; i have night blindness so it's very hard for me to see, even in a car.
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Old 05-07-2009, 03:23 PM   #54
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one would assume that in general instances that speed from the motorcyclist would involve a HIGH RATE OF SPEED to flip over another vehicle..

but again, that is "ASSUME".. funny thing is..TRUTH IS STRANGER THAN FICTION as they say... i have seen "normal" things in operation that have completeley gone insane, because of tiny small variable, that cause catastrophic results.

it is possible that the motorcyclist WAS traveling at or around the speed limit, and due to all physical variables, and conditions that happened just right, that this was the result..

was the truck braking? was it turning, and braking..or accelerating? what kind of truck was it? light import, or heavy duty industrial type? was it carrying a load? could that load have shifted weight in the back of the vehicle? what about the bike? where did it hit the the truck specifically? was it a fender? could the wheel of bike lifted the truck suspension off balance , rather than sheer speed? huge amounts of math and physics not detectable, or unobserved can play massive results, in what would look like "normal" operations, to go ballistic destruction.
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so this was a sportbike rider? or just a rider in general?

not that it matters, it's sad to say the least... but if it was someone from on here....


Call your friends that might have a reason to be riding out in that area and make sure they are ok... whether they live out there or work.
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A Video of a cop flipping a SUV

http://www.flicklife.com/84bb4e756a8...it_by_SUV.html
How fast do you think this COP was doing when he flipped that SUV?
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Old 05-07-2009, 03:37 PM   #57
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Another reason I don't right at night/early morning; i have night blindness so it's very hard for me to see, even in a car.
Dang, that sucks.
Probably sucks more when people blame dietary lack of retinol and forget about the hereditary, etc. stuff. Stupid people.

RIP to the rider and prayers for the survivors.
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RIP to the rider and will keep the family in my prayers!
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Old 05-07-2009, 03:47 PM   #59
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I would think that if the truck pulled out and was accellerating and turning at the same time (to get out of the way because he knew he had screwed up or knew he didn't have much time to get across 3 lanes of traffic) AND got hit at 45-55 mph it would be possible to push it on over. If he's bustin ballz trying to get across, the truck is already leaning away from the direction he's turning. I remember getting my dads 4-runner up on two wheels trying to do a left turn like that. Just sayin - seems plausible. I could be wrong.

At any rate - prayers for the rider and family.
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I was on may way to work stuck in traffic for 2 hours. Then I got to 1960/290 and saw the wreck and ambulance...rip
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