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Old 05-04-2009, 03:51 PM   #21
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Old 05-04-2009, 04:15 PM   #22
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In that position are you really "controlling" the motorcycle with your hands? You probably shouldn't be.
You have to hold onto something, this is an age old discussion about steering with your legs or with the bars. Lets leave that baby alone, what do you say? We could be here all night

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They develop issues from the repetitive movements of the wrists and fingers. Not a good example.
Wrong answer!!!! I architect / write software for a living and have been typing on a computer for the last 15 years, just about every day. The angle of your wrist has more to do with the problem than anything to do with wiggling your fingers, some people call that typing . Hence the ergonomic keyboards and the little gel things to put under your wrist. It has everything to do with the position of your wrist, no offense, don't mean to sound like a jerk but I know a of a lot about that and not very much about motorcycles

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You shouldn't be holding on to the bars. Larry Myers told me that he actually makes "Cs" out of his hands explicitly to make sure he's NOT holding on. You want the front end to be able to wiggle while you're leaned over as the side to side motion (as referenced from the centerline of the bike) is the only suspension you have. You start impeding that by hanging weight on the bars, and you'll run wide from lack of traction.
Granted Larry is a fast dude, never met him but I have heard he is fast. But once again you have to hold on somewhere. I think it has a lot to do with preference. To me the bars are there for a reason. Do you steer with your body or your hands? Lets not crack that shell open. However, you are assuming that I am putting weight on the bars and that is what is causing me an issue. That is not the case, it is the angle at which the bars are at, I am just not comfortable. I didn't say I was running wide on corner exits or that I had no front end feel. I said I was uncomfortable with my wrists in that position.

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I think maybe you're doing some wrong things that are putting you there.
You could be right, but that is the reason of this thread Once again, you are assuming that I am having issues on the track, while I may be slow as , I don't think I am having any issues in particular. Other than of course I don't like how my wrists feel when I have the thing leaned over. Granted I may not be following your prescribed riding position but for me it is fine. I think my answer is to try different angled clip-ons and move my pegs a tad bit. I may have them a bit to far back and they have me pirched up over the tank a tad. The other thing I may try is to tell Rojer and have him adjust the ride height a tad.

I do appreciate the help, don't get me wrong, just think we are missing each other on what my issue is for me.
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Old 05-04-2009, 04:57 PM   #23
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Granted Larry is a fast dude, never met him but I have heard he is fast. But once again you have to hold on somewhere. I think it has a lot to do with preference. To me the bars are there for a reason. Do you steer with your body or your hands? Lets not crack that shell open. However, you are assuming that I am putting weight on the bars and that is what is causing me an issue. That is not the case, it is the angle at which the bars are at, I am just not comfortable. I didn't say I was running wide on corner exits or that I had no front end feel. I said I was uncomfortable with my wrists in that position.

There are lots of "fast" people, they all do something that is kinda unique. To me, Larry has a really exaggerated style that looks kinda strange and unusual... but he's a lot faster than me and it seems to get him around the track just fine.

What's the point of all that? Well, what works for someone may not work for anyone else or maybe it'll work for some

Get comfortable with your riding position and you'll be comfortable when you ride. As you ride more you'll change your riding position and posture, some will even make drastic changes after getting instruction from someone else. Riding position/ body position is extremely subjective and oft debated. The end-all-be-all is to do what is comfortable, if you try something else try them for a session or two and see if it makes a difference. If there is no improvement, well, then that's one more thing you know won't work.
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Old 05-04-2009, 05:15 PM   #24
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What's the point of all that? Well, what works for someone may not work for anyone else or maybe it'll work for some

Get comfortable with your riding position and you'll be comfortable when you ride.
that's the bottom line.

if you're not comfortable, progressing will be that much more difficult.

this is not an easy sport to get good at quickly.
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You have to hold onto something, this is an age old discussion about steering with your legs or with the bars. Lets leave that baby alone, what do you say? We could be here all night
You do have to hold onto something. I hold on to the tank. How many times have you seen someone waving at the camera in a left hander and/or dragging their hand on the ground for show? Obviously grabbing that bar isn't particularly necessary.


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Wrong answer!!!! I architect / write software for a living and have been typing on a computer for the last 15 years, just about every day. The angle of your wrist has more to do with the problem than anything to do with wiggling your fingers, some people call that typing . Hence the ergonomic keyboards and the little gel things to put under your wrist. It has everything to do with the position of your wrist, no offense, don't mean to sound like a jerk but I know a of a lot about that and not very much about motorcycles
Yea dude, I'm a programmer as well.


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Granted Larry is a fast dude, never met him but I have heard he is fast. But once again you have to hold on somewhere. I think it has a lot to do with preference. To me the bars are there for a reason. Do you steer with your body or your hands?
On the street I steer with my hands. On the track....the faster I get (and I'm slower than molasses in a freezer)....the more I realize I steer with my body.

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Lets not crack that shell open. However, you are assuming that I am putting weight on the bars and that is what is causing me an issue. That is not the case, it is the angle at which the bars are at, I am just not comfortable. I didn't say I was running wide on corner exits or that I had no front end feel. I said I was uncomfortable with my wrists in that position. You could be right, but that is the reason of this thread Once again, you are assuming that I am having issues on the track, while I may be slow as , I don't think I am having any issues in particular. Other than of course I don't like how my wrists feel when I have the thing leaned over. Granted I may not be following your prescribed riding position but for me it is fine. I think my answer is to try different angled clip-ons and move my pegs a tad bit. I may have them a bit to far back and they have me pirched up over the tank a tad. The other thing I may try is to tell Rojer and have him adjust the ride height a tad.

I do appreciate the help, don't get me wrong, just think we are missing each other on what my issue is for me.

All I have to go on is one single pic. Which confirms what a lot of people on hear say all the time: a still image doesn't tell you very much. However, from that pic it looks like you're literally hanging from that bar. It looks like that, if it weren't glued down, you'd pull the grip right off the bar. If thats whats actually happening....thats not right. If not then, well, try som aftermarket clip-ons, but also maybe try supporting yourself better with your legs/core so that you can do whatever you want with your wrist.
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Old 05-06-2009, 08:10 AM   #27
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Since it's a track bike, don't worry about whether they hit at full lock. Set them up to be comfortable riding on the track and make concessions in the pits while getting in and out.
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Old 05-06-2009, 08:16 AM   #28
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All I have to go on is one single pic. Which confirms what a lot of people on hear say all the time: a still image doesn't tell you very much. However, from that pic it looks like you're literally hanging from that bar. It looks like that, if it weren't glued down, you'd pull the grip right off the bar. If thats whats actually happening....thats not right. If not then, well, try som aftermarket clip-ons, but also maybe try supporting yourself better with your legs/core so that you can do whatever you want with your wrist.
Thanks for all the advise bro. I think we may have a little difference of opinion on some of this but I seriously do appreciate the effort to help. One of my favorite things about this sport

I see all of this information as a factor of getting faster, most of the things you have talked about here are probably pretty accurate and time will tell. I have signed up for the LSTD Advanced Rider School thing this weekend at TWS (Texas World Speedway) so hopefully I can get a leg up on this riding position thing!

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