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Old 05-03-2009, 11:09 AM   #1
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Most common get-off, loose front or rear?

On the track, which end yields the most amount of get-offs would you say? Tucking/loosing front or spin up/slide the rear? Maybe another way to ask, do most incidents happen on turn entry or exit? In your own experiences and/or what you have witnessed or been told.

Not to over analyze the question here, lets just say its a "dry" track. Speaking generally here.
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Really neither. Most common is run off and dump it in the grass.

But I would say next is tuck the front end. I've done alot of cornerworking and seen only a few backend slides.
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Really neither. Most common is run off and dump it in the grass.

But I would say next is tuck the front end. I've done alot of cornerworking and seen only a few backend slides.
Very true there. And good point, i bet the folks who have corner worked regularly have seen numerous occasions of the "same mistake" made time and time again.
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Yeah, run off track happens alot. Then front tuck.
You gotta get pretty aggressive with the throttle to spin up the rear enough to throw you. Now scaring yourself with wheel spin is easy.
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too much corner entry speed for said riders skill set, is why I believe most accidents happen. Whatever happens after the "too much corner entry speed" may vary.
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I think it's more common to have target fixation and run off because you panic.
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They could run off, low side, tuck..whatever they do when they panic determines the "type" of get off, after comming in too hot.
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I think it's more common to have target fixation and run off because you panic.
You think most crashes happen because of target fixation?
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While I would bet the order is (1) standing the bike up and running off; (2) tucking the front end; (3) impact from another rider; and (4) highside; it would be interesting to hear from the long time track day guys like Buck, LSTD Tom, an old timer from RideSmart as well as any of the number of gray beards around.

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If by target fixation you mean, "look for an exit, and point the bike towards that direction." You would be correct. I've been told if you don't think you can make the corner your first panick instinct is to look for an exit. As soon as you decide "this way is safe out," that is where you are going. While the best thing to do is lean harder. In most cases the bike will make the turn.
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If by target fixation you mean, "look for an exit, and point the bike towards that direction." You would be correct. I've been told if you don't think you can make the corner your first panick instinct is to look for an exit. As soon as you decide "this way is safe out," that is where you are going. While the best thing to do is lean harder. In most cases the bike will make the turn.

So what would cause you to think you cant make the corner? Too much corner entry speed for your skill set maybe?
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While I would bet the order is (1) standing the bike up and running off; (2) tucking the front end; (3) impact from another rider; and (4) highside; it would be interesting to hear from the long time track day guys like Buck, LSTD Tom, an old timer from RideSmart as well as any of the number of gray beards around.

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Thus far with the early input in this thread, sounds as though exiting and heavy throttle would be the least occuring crash?

I have another question that would tie into this debate with trackdayer's vs racers, but lets hear some more on this first.

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So what would cause you to think you cant make the corner? Too much corner entry speed for your skill set maybe?
You keep going for too much entry speed, but I think TYiatool is correct.
When they think they are going too fast, people will look for a place to bail out. They give up on completing the corner.
IMHO this is caused by having fixated on something for a fraction of a second too long. They look at a spot on the track, or glance at the flag stand or something, then when they return their attention to making the turn they panic and bail. What should be done is to lean more, turn harder and trust the tires.
Most everyone has done it... or will.


On a racetrack it is often no big deal, on the road it can be fatal.
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You keep going for too much entry speed, but I think TYiatool is correct.
When they think they are going too fast, people will look for a place to bail out. They give up on completing the corner.
IMHO this is caused by having fixated on something for a fraction of a second too long. They look at a spot on the track, or glance at the flag stand or something, then when they return their attention to making the turn they panic and bail. What should be done is to lean more, turn harder and trust the tires.
Most everyone has done it... or will.


On a racetrack it is often no big deal, on the road it can be fatal.
You guys are splitting hairs... it's all starting with the rider being uncomfortable with the corner entry speed. What happens leading up to that point or following that point is mute.
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You guys are splitting hairs... it's all starting with the rider being uncomfortable with the corner entry speed. What happens leading up to that point or following that point is mute.
Sorry Curt, I disagree.
I think by understanding the process of up a turn, it helps to avoid the mistake that caused it.
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Oh ok.... I meant FAST hyper experienced riders. Ba ha ha ha. Gotcha.
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Oh ok well be more specific next time.
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