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Old 04-29-2009, 01:28 PM   #21
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Not sure if that is just movement of the outside foot or if he is actually on the brakes. I dunno man. I just know what Ty Howard said in his race class. He doesnt back it in with the rear brake.
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Old 04-29-2009, 01:31 PM   #22
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Those guys are PROs!!

And they're "backing it in" using the throttle.
no they don't. it's not throttle

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if your talking about "backing it in" its all done with the front brake, they might tap the rear to stop the momentum of the engine turning.
that's more along the lines of what i'm talkin about

i know they tap it, so my question is on ur guy's bikes do or have u ever upgraded ur lines and pads
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Not sure if that is just movement of the outside foot or if he is actually on the brakes. I dunno man. I just know what Ty Howard said in his race class. He doesnt back it in with the rear brake.
i guess it's a more of an oh s#!t kinda thing. if i WERE coming into the corner too hot and i wanna hold my line and not go off the track, i would tap that back brake to line my tire up
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i guess it's a more of an oh s#!t kinda thing. if i WERE coming into the corner too hot and i wanna hold my line and not go off the track, i would tap that back brake to line my tire up

I cant do it...so I hate to even speak on it. Basically, they drop a few gears and dump the clutch while they are hard on the front brakes. The end is light, and the tire is turning slower than the bike so it breaks loose. Then they aim for thier apex while the end is swinging around.

There are power slides, steppin on the brake, and backing it in. All different things from what I understand.

But thats all neither here nor there, you dont need ss lines and race pads to lock the rear up. But if you have them, and paid for them already, may as well install them.

BTW, if I am too hot, I use the from brake, little counter steering, roll off the throttle a bit and look farther thru the turn. Being too hot, at our level, is a state of mind, IMO.
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When these guys back it in, the rear wheel is rotating something like only 3% slower than the front. There is a video out there where Rossi talks about it.
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i guess it's a more of an oh s#!t kinda thing. if i WERE coming into the corner too hot and i wanna hold my line and not go off the track, i would tap that back brake to line my tire up
What do you mean by "line my tire up"? I've read that expert level racers will tap the rear brakes to assist in reducing the rotational inertia of the rear wheel to facilitate turn in. However, in a panic stop situation the rear wheel is almost completely unloaded. There is no stopping power in a tire that is just barely touching the ground.
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BTW, if I am too hot, I use the from brake, little counter steering, roll off the throttle a bit and look farther thru the turn. Being too hot, at our level, is a state of mind, IMO.
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What do you mean by "line my tire up"? I've read that expert level racers will tap the rear brakes to assist in reducing the rotational inertia of the rear wheel to facilitate turn in. However, in a panic stop situation the rear wheel is almost completely unloaded. There is no stopping power in a tire that is just barely touching the ground.
exactly what i was talkin about curt
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that's more along the lines of what i'm talkin about

i know they tap it, so my question is on ur guy's bikes do or have u ever upgraded ur lines and pads
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And to anwer the original question, WE don't need our pretty little SS brake line in the rear,
we don't need a lot of pretty little things on our bikes. but since i already have it, might as well throw it on


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I have never used a SS rear line. All of the bikes Ive owned had more than enough braking power to lock up the wheel at any time.
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I dont use mine at all. But I would love to watch you perform this maneuver
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What do you mean by "line my tire up"? I've read that expert level racers will tap the rear brakes to assist in reducing the rotational inertia of the rear wheel to facilitate turn in. However, in a panic stop situation the rear wheel is almost completely unloaded. There is no stopping power in a tire that is just barely touching the ground.


you DON'T need your rear brake at your level....., even some of the top experts and PRO racers don't use their rear brake during a RACE....although a lot of them will use it while fcking around during practice.

conclusion....stick to the front brakes....if you can't master the front brakes which give you a certain margin of error......don't even attempt to use the rear brake. the rear brake gives you VERY LITTLE margin of error....and without the experience.....you'll end up with a broken bike or a broken body....and maybe even both.
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you DON'T need your rear brake at your level....., even some of the top experts and PRO racers don't use their rear brake during a RACE....although a lot of them will use it while fcking around during practice.

conclusion....stick to the front brakes....if you can't master the front brakes which give you a certain margin of error......don't even attempt to use the rear brake. the rear brake gives you VERY LITTLE margin of error....and without the experience.....you'll end up with a broken bike or a broken body....and maybe even both.
This man speaks da truth!!!
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you DON'T need your rear brake at your level....., even some of the top experts and PRO racers don't use their rear brake during a RACE....although a lot of them will use it while fcking around during practice.

conclusion....stick to the front brakes....if you can't master the front brakes which give you a certain margin of error......don't even attempt to use the rear brake. the rear brake gives you VERY LITTLE margin of error....and without the experience.....you'll end up with a broken bike or a broken body....and maybe even both.
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He could very well have barely applied the rear brake if the slipper clutch is set too tight. At his pace the slipper doesnt work the same in every gear or speed. Can be to set one up right. It would only be to keep engine revs where it doesnt scatter the motor on the downshift engagement. It would be hardly any pedal pressure at all, just a scrub.
If you really want to practice backing it in, get an SV and tighten the rear rebound, loosen front compression and grab a lot of front brake. yeeehaaaa! Thats if the backend doesnt chatter all the bolts loose
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when my front brakes all but stopped working at Cresson last year and then again at MSRH in March, my back brake was a life saver, and never faded to the point that i felt i needed the ss lines.

I got a set of galfer lines from Dan Kyle that included both front and rear.. i put the fronts on, and I may see if i can use the rear one as the line on my YSR lol
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