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Old 04-29-2009, 09:31 PM   #81
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Choppers don't have to be expensive....just don't pay for a brand name.


Here is ours that won the Houston IMS show. Its built with a honda engine and gsxr wheels & brakes. We sell these around 10k & they'll outrun almost any chopper.
WOW... I'd hit that in a heartbeat!

What company is that? Are they local?
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I'm a little lost. My 1990 Honda - designed 45ci motor puts out 100hp and 53lb/ft. How does a 2009 80ci Harley motor produce just 120hp/ 85 ft/lb? That's not very innovative.

Please take into account thats it has got over 54k miles on the clock and still purring with just oil changes.
your 600cc sportbike is a completely different animal from the tc96 engine in harleys and isn't even remotely fair to compare them. the tc96, and harley motors in general (except for the vrod) aren't designed with hp in mind. they are only concerned with torque, reliability, and passing emissions. if you're going to compare harley engines to anything, at least compare them to the metric cruisers. apples to apples.
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Old 04-29-2009, 09:36 PM   #83
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I have taken apart a 05 and 07 Harley road king and the way they put these things together is , I dont think they are worth the money at all. But every person is different.
please elaborate. i'm curious what you didn't like about how they were put together.
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please elaborate. i'm curious what you didn't like about how they were put together.
Probably the letters....H A R L E Y
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Let's not turn this into a us vs, them thing.

The point I keep trying to get to is that I believe ALL cruisers to be over priced.
It is incorrect to compare sportbike performance, hp and torque, because the bikes are so different.
The only reason I brought bikes into this was to say that sportbikes have a HUGE amount of technology in their design, construction and materials. Yet, they cost thousands less than cruisers, especially Harleys.

Besides saying cuz they're cool or because that's what people will pay, why is that?
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your 600cc sportbike is a completely different animal from the tc96 engine in harleys and isn't even remotely fair to compare them. the tc96, and harley motors in general (except for the vrod) aren't designed with hp in mind. they are only concerned with torque, reliability, and passing emissions. if you're going to compare harley engines to anything, at least compare them to the metric cruisers. apples to apples.
Mine is a 750cc V-4
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your 600cc sportbike is a completely different animal from the tc96 engine in harleys and isn't even remotely fair to compare them. the tc96, and harley motors in general (except for the vrod) aren't designed with hp in mind. they are only concerned with torque, reliability, and passing emissions. if you're going to compare harley engines to anything, at least compare them to the metric cruisers. apples to apples.
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Mine is a 750cc V-4
SecretAgent still makes a good (and valid) point. It's not like they can't design their v-twins to have more HP. It's just a play on cams, pistons, rods, etc. to get exactly what they're looking for. Btw, there's a huge difference between 53 lb-ft vs. 85 lb-ft torque, which I assure you will feel in the seat of your pants.
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SecretAgent still makes a good (and valid) point. It's not like they can't design their v-twins to have more HP. It's just a play on cams, pistons, rods, etc. to get exactly what they're looking for. Btw, there's a huge difference between 53 lb-ft vs. 85 lb-ft torque, which I assure you will feel in the seat of your pants.
You know, you're right. I need to ride a real Harley. Anyone want to let me ride theirs?
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your 600cc sportbike is a completely different animal from the tc96 engine in harleys and isn't even remotely fair to compare them. the tc96, and harley motors in general (except for the vrod) aren't designed with hp in mind. they are only concerned with torque, reliability, and passing emissions. if you're going to compare harley engines to anything, at least compare them to the metric cruisers. apples to apples.
If those are the only 3 things they're concerned about....I grade harley at a 66%.
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People are forgetting that Cruisers weigh 2x-3x as much as a sportbike...that sort of has an effect.
BEEP wrong answer My wing is heavier than a hawg and I still kick its 2 ways to sunday.
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The green chopper in the pic is around 70 lbs heavier than your average 600
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BEEP wrong answer My wing is heavier than a hawg and I still kick its 2 ways to sunday.
Your Wing is neither cruiser nor sportbike.

Jeezus bill - you dont have to argue everything. Go get laid or something.
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Your Wing is neither cruiser nor sportbike.

Jeezus bill - you dont have to argue everything. Go get laid or something.
What is it then? Does my wing not a have a title? It is just a "wing" no cruiser no sportbike no nothing? And I did get laid last night. It was fun too.

He was the one that said the reason harleys were slower than sportbikes was because of the weight becuause it is considered a cruiser. That is the only reason I posted what I did. U think I am argumentative. what the are you suppose te be on a message board?. ON every post type +1 or something?
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What is it then? Does my wing not a have a title? It is just a "wing" no cruiser no sportbike no nothing? And I did get laid last night. It was fun too.

He was the one that said the reason harleys were slower than sportbikes was because of the weight becuause it is considered a cruiser. That is the only reason I posted what I did. U think I am argumentative. what the are you suppose te be on a message board?. ON every post type +1 or something?
Technically your Wing is a Luxury Tourer. There really are only 3 other bikes in that segment and only one is a legitimate comparison - the BMW K1200LT. The other two in the segment are the FLHTCUI (Ultra Classic) and the Victory Vision, but as both of those are V-twins, comparing them is a little unfair.
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Technically your Wing is a Luxury Tourer. There really are only 3 other bikes in that segment and only one is a legitimate comparison - the BMW K1200LT. The other two in the segment are the FLHTCUI (Ultra Classic) and the Victory Vision, but as both of those are V-twins, comparing them is a little unfair.

Why is it unfair? They could put a v-6 in their bikes too. I can't help if they are stuck in the ancient technology mode. The victory vision was sooo slow I almost fell asleep riding it I didn't fall asleep on the harley because they shaking kept me awake.

So my bike is a luxury tourer huh? Did not know that know wonder I like riding it so much I am in LUXURY hauling .

You know I have never ridden a bmw 1200lt. I think I might rent one next time I do hwy 1 in Cali.
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You arent running an air cooled V-Twin either. Ive ridden OLDWINGS..yes they are fast!
I just want to say I resent the "old"wing comment. Man, I already feel old enough don't rub it in. My wife calls it that too makes me want to slap er upside the head. Again the watercooled motor has been invented why are they still using air cooled? I am surprised they use a round wheel instead of a square one. :keke Even my harley friends get tired of their bikes overheating in parades traffic etc.

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Low end torgue are you kidding? My friends brother n law couldn't believe how much power he had on my wing in 5th gear compared to his ultra. He said he would have to downshift twice to get that much torque and pulling power. Btw soon as we got back from the trip I heard he is shopping for goldwings on the net. Another goldwing convert on the way.

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Cmon, HD has tons of money. If they wanted they could make some bad stuff.
But they don't and they won't as long as they keep selling 50 year old technology to people silly enough to pay top dollar for one just because IT IS a HARLEY and they make a cool noise when they idle.

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don't even go there I whooped buell's on top end while I was riding sidesaddle on my chopper coming back from South Padre. He couldn't believe someone could go 140mph riding a chopper sidesaddle.
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