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Old 04-28-2009, 05:05 PM   #21
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If they are 125gp slicks, they are 17" wheels
19 psi cold, 22 psi hot off the track.
that was the problem I had 17" tires and 12" rims/ no wonder I kept crasing

so i guess 12-13 Psi off the track wasn't right..
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i've run the bt002's my last two trackdays...i gotta say i'm happy with 'em...although i did go down due to them being brand new and cold...now i'm running warmers and they hook up pretty good, slid some in the rain on the 19th, but not too bad, i still had control.
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i've run the bt002's my last two trackdays...i gotta say i'm happy with 'em...although i did go down due to them being brand new and cold...now i'm running warmers and they hook up pretty good, slid some in the rain on the 19th, but not too bad, i still had control.
What did you have before these? I'm seriously considering switching to 002s as well. Currently, I'm on DCIIIs and I'm pretty pleased with them. I am however, curious to try something different and potentially better. 07SLVRCBR and I have had numerious conversations about this.
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Hooli........I weigh about 195 without gear and ride a R1. thanks for the input guys.
Your close to pushing the limit of your stock suspension at that weight, but I highly doubt your actually using all of it. Ive seen BIG people pulling decent laptimes on stock suspension. In other words, your suspension is OK for right now but after x amount of trackdays, and if you have the money, go ahead and get some suspension upgrades. I would get a set of warmers first and a good set of race tires with a pretty aggresive shape (BT-003) IMO just so you have trust and confidence in your tires, most of the time. Warmers are cheap man, brand new get from John for under $300


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before you come to the conclusion it's your tires.....it could very well be your suspension setup.

that being said, i would say the pirelli's diablo corsa 3's 190/55 is equivalent if not better than the bt002 r/s. the only problem is like their race tire, they don't last as long.

also being on a liter bike.....you gotta learn throttle control, or you will spin up any tire that you throw on there.
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+1 to that, plus the more you can keep your bike upright - more contact patch on the pavement (with body positioning and good lines) the less likely you would be to spin it up.
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that was the problem I had 17" tires and 12" rims/ no wonder I kept crasing

so i guess 12-13 Psi off the track wasn't right..
You can run them a little lower on the cart tracks, but that is a little low. The lowest I would feel comfortable with is 19 psi hot off the track.
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Looking for advice from experienced track riders and or racers.


I dont have warmers yet so I want the best tire possible without running warmers, I know they will still need a good lap or two before I pick up the pace. I am going with suspension upgrades as well. Warmers come later on when I can get some more cash.
u know my opinion amigo, go with the 002's i was like you in startin off with the st tires and when i kicked it up a knotch to the bstones, my confidence shot up in the corners. I also recommend the track suspension set up. I can honestly say that after i had mine done, railing the corners at higher speeds felt smooth as my gf's bottom
u saw how i warm my tires up bro, take that first lap a little slower and make sure to slam on the brakes after gunnin it on the straights. gun it, brake hard, gun it, brake hard, and bam! tires r ready

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I dont ride on the street anymore, nothing worthwhile for that matter.
I'm sure someone can ride the tires more than I.

Hooli........I weigh about 195 without gear and ride a R1. thanks for the input guys.
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Hot off the track, the front should be 31 psi, the rear should be 29 psi.
Ok, well like I said, I got down to that pressure after a few sessions and it didn't feel very stable coming out of corners. Maybe its because of the 190/50 profile.

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Sounds good, my name is Will by the way. Next time I'll come say hello, you will probably here from me before then, I need some new tires chief!

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Your close to pushing the limit of your stock suspension at that weight, but I highly doubt your actually using all of it. Ive seen BIG people pulling decent laptimes on stock suspension. In other words, your suspension is OK for right now but after x amount of trackdays, and if you have the money, go ahead and get some suspension upgrades. I would get a set of warmers first and a good set of race tires with a pretty aggresive shape (BT-003) IMO just so you have trust and confidence in your tires, most of the time. Warmers are cheap man, brand new get from John for under $300


Thats just what I would do and thats all just my own opinion
When I had my sag set, Patrick mentioned that I should really consider changing out some of my suspension components, or revalving it depending on how fast I am. So the BT003s have more of an aggresive shape than 002s? I have some intense lean angle I hear. I thought that the more lean angle you have, the sharper you can corner the bike. Guess I was misinformed??

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before you come to the conclusion it's your tires.....it could very well be your suspension setup.

that being said, i would say the pirelli's diablo corsa 3's 190/55 is equivalent if not better than the bt002 r/s. the only problem is like their race tire, they don't last as long.

also being on a liter bike.....you gotta learn throttle control, or you will spin up any tire that you throw on there.
I am running 190/50s right now. I thought I was being very smooth on the throttle... Maybe I should throw up a pic of the tire so u guys can see if the wear is right, or if its time for a new set.

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+1 to that, plus the more you can keep your bike upright - more contact patch on the pavement (with body positioning and good lines) the less likely you would be to spin it up.
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u know my opinion amigo, go with the 002's i was like you in startin off with the st tires and when i kicked it up a knotch to the bstones, my confidence shot up in the corners. I also recommend the track suspension set up. I can honestly say that after i had mine done, railing the corners at higher speeds felt smooth as my gf's bottom
u saw how i warm my tires up bro, take that first lap a little slower and make sure to slam on the brakes after gunnin it on the straights. gun it, brake hard, gun it, brake hard, and bam! tires r ready



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When I had my sag set, Patrick mentioned that I should really consider changing out some of my suspension components, or revalving it depending on how fast I am. So the BT003s have more of an aggresive shape than 002s? I have some intense lean angle I hear. I thought that the more lean angle you have, the sharper you can corner the bike. Guess I was misinformed??

the bt003 is a DOT RACE tire and it does have a more aggressive shape than a bt002 r/s. the bt002's are a street/track combo tire.....that should be enough said about that issue. if you ride ONLY track, get a set of warmers....and a set of DOT race tires.

with correct body position, you can sharpen the corners even MORE so. good body position will take less effort on lean angles and you can throttle sooner. if you are maxing out the lean angles....well, less contact patch at full bike lean means easier spin out of the corners.

you are already in the right direction with Patrick. talk to him and let him know what's going on with your bike. Motorcycles Unlimited's got lots of experience and they do the work on all my bikes. Good enough to get me 1st place wins. although at some point in time, you WILL out ride your stock suspension. good suspension won't necessarily make you faster....but it will give you the confidence you need, and it will feel more comfortable going faster.

I am running 190/50s right now. I thought I was being very smooth on the throttle... Maybe I should throw up a pic of the tire so u guys can see if the wear is right, or if its time for a new set.

a 190/55 is superior to the 190/55. since you are familiar with the corsa 3's.....try the 190/55 corsa 3.
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What did you have before these? I'm seriously considering switching to 002s as well. Currently, I'm on DCIIIs and I'm pretty pleased with them. I am however, curious to try something different and potentially better. 07SLVRCBR and I have had numerious conversations about this.
i ran pilot power2ct's...never had a problem with them either, just heard too many poeple tell me that they will just let go one of these days, no slipping or sliding..no warning at all, they will just give up. So I squeezed 4 td's out of them then put my fears aside.
About the bt002's, I'm running nearly the same speeds, fast intermediate, i just recommend using tire warmers, especially before you hit it in the first session like i did, which caused me to go down
No probelms or worries of any sort since on the bt002's
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a 190/55 is superior to the 190/55. since you are familiar with the corsa 3's.....try the 190/55 corsa 3.
not to seem like a smart , but which is superior?...i do wanna know
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a 190/55 is superior to the 190/50. since you are familiar with the corsa 3's.....try the 190/55 corsa 3.
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not to seem like a smart , but which is superior?...i do wanna know
I think he meant 190/50. The taller rear will give better turn in
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When I had my sag set, Patrick mentioned that I should really consider changing out some of my suspension components, or revalving it depending on how fast I am. So the BT003s have more of an aggresive shape than 002s? I have some intense lean angle I hear. I thought that the more lean angle you have, the sharper you can corner the bike. Guess I was misinformed??

the bt003 is a DOT RACE tire and it does have a more aggressive shape than a bt002 r/s. the bt002's are a street/track combo tire.....that should be enough said about that issue. if you ride ONLY track, get a set of warmers....and a set of DOT race tires.

with correct body position, you can sharpen the corners even MORE so. good body position will take less effort on lean angles and you can throttle sooner. if you are maxing out the lean angles....well, less contact patch at full bike lean means easier spin out of the corners.

you are already in the right direction with Patrick. talk to him and let him know what's going on with your bike. Motorcycles Unlimited's got lots of experience and they do the work on all my bikes. Good enough to get me 1st place wins. although at some point in time, you WILL out ride your stock suspension. good suspension won't necessarily make you faster....but it will give you the confidence you need, and it will feel more comfortable going faster.

I am running 190/50s right now. I thought I was being very smooth on the throttle... Maybe I should throw up a pic of the tire so u guys can see if the wear is right, or if its time for a new set.

a 190/55 is superior to the 190/55. since you are familiar with the corsa 3's.....try the 190/55 corsa 3.


I have ridden street one time since I started hitting the track so I think its safe to say that my bike is track dedicated.

I'm just trying to figure out in what order to do things. Should I do

a. tires and suspension
b. badass tires and warmers

Cant afford to do a and b at the same time right now, wish I could!
Thanks for taking the time to post this, That goes for everyone, thank you
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we're in the same boat. i got my tires first and had the suspension set up.
now i'm tryin to hide some pennies for warmers
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we're in the same boat. i got my tires first and had the suspension set up.
now i'm tryin to hide some pennies for warmers
next will be some ohlins action
you could do racetech internals for almsot half the price . That what Im gonna do, from what I understand, the ohlins has easier adjustments. Overall about the same quality.
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good to know, good to know.


so when's our next dance bro? i need to act like a tomato and ketchup with u

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good to know, good to know.


so when's our next dance bro? i need to act like a tomato and ketchup with u

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Dont know yet, I gotta few things to gt before then......tires and maybe some warmers, I have to butter up the wife so she will gimme some money
Thats why its good to be SweetDickWilly!!!!!!!
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