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Old 04-28-2009, 02:41 PM   #1
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Looking for advice from experienced track riders and or racers.

I am at a point where my tires are holding me back on the track. I am currently running CorsaIIIs 50 profile on my 07 R1.

I dont have warmers yet so I want the best tire possible without running warmers, I know they will still need a good lap or two before I pick up the pace. I am going with suspension upgrades as well. Warmers come later on when I can get some more cash.

My options are BT002s (55s) or the Dragon Supercorsa Pros (55s) . I have heard great things from both tires. Looking for advice from those who have tried either. Thanks in advance
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Old 04-28-2009, 02:53 PM   #2
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Will, how have you arrived at the conclusion that your tires are holding you back?
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What about the new Michelins?

The PowerOne street/track version is said to be better than the 002RS or the CorsaIII...
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Do you still ride the bike on the street? BTW, I stock the 190/55 DCIII's, they are MUCH better than the 190/50.
I doubt the tire is holding you back BTW. The 190/50 isn't doing you any favors though.
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Do you still ride the bike on the street? BTW, I stock the 190/55 DCIII's, they are MUCH better than the 190/50.
I doubt the tire is holding you back BTW. The 190/50 isn't doing you any favors though.
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Do you still ride the bike on the street? BTW, I stock the 190/55 DCIII's, they are MUCH better than the 190/50.
I doubt the tire is holding you back BTW. The 190/50 isn't doing you any favors though.
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Having followed ZR1 for several laps on Saturday, I can say that he is probably running 48's at MSRH and is on a liter bike.

Maybe that will help your opinons. He also takes on, what appears to me, and extraordinary amount of lean angle.
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Will, how have you arrived at the conclusion that your tires are holding you back?
The rear was sliding out of alot of corners. I tried making psi adjustments but I could never get these to hook up coming out of corners under hard acceleration. I dont have 100% confidence in these tires. I've had several peeps suggest that I make a change. I bet someone could ride these harder than I but I dont have the trust in these tires. I want something more track dedicated.
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The rear was sliding out of alot of corners. I tried making psi adjustments but I could never get these to hook up coming out of corners under hard acceleration. I dont have 100% confidence in these tires. I've had several peeps suggest that I make a change. I bet someone could ride these harder than I but I dont have the trust in these tires. I want something more track dedicated.
also keep in mind the rear sliding is part of life. but i know you already knew that. I can not tell you what tire, but find something that gives you confidence as confidence is part of the equation
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Do you still ride the bike on the street? BTW, I stock the 190/55 DCIII's, they are MUCH better than the 190/50.
I doubt the tire is holding you back BTW. The 190/50 isn't doing you any favors though.
I dont ride on the street anymore, nothing worthwhile for that matter.

I'm sure someone can ride the tires more than I.

Hooli........I weigh about 195 without gear and ride a R1. thanks for the input guys.
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Having followed ZR1 for several laps on Saturday, I can say that he is probably running 48's at MSRH and is on a liter bike.

Maybe that will help your opinons. He also takes on, what appears to me, and extraordinary amount of lean angle.
Will or Brandt, did you get any lap times? 48's would put you at the front of the pack in the advanced group during a track day.
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The rear was sliding out of alot of corners. I tried making psi adjustments but I could never get these to hook up coming out of corners under hard acceleration. I dont have 100% confidence in these tires. I've had several peeps suggest that I make a change. I bet someone could ride these harder than I but I dont have the trust in these tires. I want something more track dedicated.
The next step up is the Dragon Supercorsa Pro. They are a small step below the Diablo Supercorsa (World Supersport Spec Tire), but will offer the grip your looking for.

I'm a believe in that rider confidence is everything. While I believe that simply changing the rear to a 190/55 would do WORLDS of improvement for you. It will count for nothing if you can't feel confident in them. I can assure you high-1:40's on the DCIII's is not at their limits.

I'm also curious as to where the air pressures were.
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Will or Brandt, did you get any lap times? 48's would put you at the front of the pack in the advanced group during a track day.

I know what I was running in the 4th session with a timer I borrowed. And I am confident, that Will was runnin 48-49's.
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Will or Brandt, did you get any lap times? 48's would put you at the front of the pack in the advanced group during a track day.
I ran a lap timer but the gawdamn thing never read my laps right, they were 3:48, 3:47, 3:49 ans Shitlike that. No biggie, I talked with Dave and he is gettin one for me on the house next time.

There were alot of fast guys there that day, had the liberty of having Alonzo pass me almost every session!

Redjet ran a 48 out there and I slowly reeled him in after many many laps, he may have slowed the pace as we hit traffic though.
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The next step up is the Dragon Supercorsa Pro. They are a small step below the Diablo Supercorsa (World Supersport Spec Tire), but will offer the grip your looking for.

I'm a believe in that rider confidence is everything. While I believe that simply changing the rear to a 190/55 would do WORLDS of improvement for you. It will count for nothing if you can't feel confident in them. I can assure you high-1:40's on the DCIII's is not at their limits.

I'm also curious as to where the air pressures were.
my rear tire was measuring 34-35 pounds (hot) after a session, I lowered it about 4 pounds after that.

It could very well be that the edge of the tire is worn out now. It has 3 trackdays on them...
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Was my psi in the right ballpark John?
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Was my psi in the right ballpark John?
Hot off the track, the front should be 31 psi, the rear should be 29 psi.
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looks like wrong ball park.

hey john 125 gp slicks bstones of course what kind of pressures should I be runing. 12" wheels I believe
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looks like wrong ball park.

hey john 125 gp slicks bstones of course what kind of pressures should I be runing. 12" wheels I believe
If they are 125gp slicks, they are 17" wheels
19 psi cold, 22 psi hot off the track.
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