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Old 04-25-2009, 04:08 PM   #21
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This can be a tuning issue. Sometimes the money spent on a good dyno-tune is well worth it.
Early fuel injection systems had this problem and was one reason why bike mfrs were slow to implement it on bikes. They had a hard time getting smooth off to on throttle transitions, with the relatively small displacement engines and light flywheel effect. (as compared to cars)
Now the FI's are as good or better than a well sorted carb setup.

Anyway, you should look into getting your bike to a state of smooth transitional power. Cable adjustment is a place to start, tuning, syncing, etc. until it is like a handful of butter.
yea I figured it was a tuning problem possibly with the PC3 maybe? I'll prolly have to do a lot of research on how to do all these adjustments without up.
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Old 04-26-2009, 01:40 PM   #22
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Stay on topic people.

He's only asking the fast racers. hehehe
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First gear usage
depending on your sprocket sizes/choices, most tracks won't need the use of 1st gear no matter what your gearing is. i have a variety of sprockets to choose from, and generally don't ever have the need to use 1st gear....except at oak hill.

especially at MSRH, even with stock gearing, you should be able to use 2nd gear in the diamonds edge......most likely the problem is you need to be carrying MORE entryspeed/cornerspeed

so to answer your question, rarely is 1st gear used.

Rear braking
only certain people, usually with a lot of experience, successfully uses the rear brake on the track, and that's usually when they are fcking around and sliding through the corners. if you are using your front brakes correctly...your back wheel wouldn't barely be on the ground for it to be worth using. and yes, that is how hard we brake before the corners. the only reason you should be using the rear brake is if you run off the track. front brakes while in the dirt/grass will make you crash for sure.

Neccessity of a knee slide
dragging knee is like a gauge for most poeple.....if your body position is correct, dragging knee is usually a warning that you are about to crank it over too far.....u kinda get a feel for it. fcked up body position can cause knee dragging while the bike is almost straight up and down.

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Traction
you could've tried to drop 1 lb. and see what happens, but too late for that right? lol. you probably are in need of a more track oriented tire like the bt002 r/s, or pirelli corsa III's.


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Awesome! Thank you sir. Hopefully I will most likely be out there in June.
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I feel that I am consistant with my racing line. I also know that the "line" changes when trying to pass someone and I know how to adapt and somehow predict a racer's movement in front of me. I'm more along the lines of trying to go " to the wall." I understand smoothness is important, but Im not going to pay 150 bucks for a trackday so that I can take it easy and go smooth and "kinda" fast. With nearly 19,000 aggressive miles stack on my `07 gsxr, Im paying for trackday to push it to the limits where it cannot be done on streets. BUT I do see what youre saying though. Im passed the consistency phase. I think it limits your time to experience how to execute certain turns in different ways.

"With nearly 19,000 aggressive miles stack on my `07 gsxr"...if those are street miles (even if they are in the twisties) I wouldn't count them.... the track is a totally different animal.

i know you said fast guys, but.....

Were you running a lap timer? This will tell you how consistent you are. If your laps are all over the place, then it maybe something you should still work on. At least until you can run all of your laps within 1 to 1.5 seconds of each other. I have always heard, if you are going to the wall and way outside your comfort zone, then all of your attention is being used and you cannot concentrate on important things (like braking points, and your lines). Instead of focusing on the entire track, pick an important turn (like the bus stop at MSRH) and work on getting it down just right. Last weekend, I took Larry Meyer's race school at MSRH. He holds the track lap record and said he takes all of the corners in 2nd, except for the carousel, which is in 3rd. As far as lines, I don't think anyone has the lines down on a track perfectly after one track day. Even some of the really fast guys who have done a ton of laps will come in and say they just tried something new and it made it big difference. I just heard it last weekend, an advanced rider taking a much later turn in after the keyhole and turn 1 of the bus stop and dropping almost a full second off of his lap times.

Body position is different for everyone. I am a really big guy, and Larry said my doesn't need to be off of the seat as much as the little guys. I had it off two much and my head was not out there enough, so I was crossed up. You should have someone follow you with a video camera. It really helps you understand what you are doing. I felt like my body position was different than what I saw on video. Larry intentionally told us to not try to go as fast as we can, to just work on specific techniques each session. I just started on a 600 from a liter bike, so I feel like I have to change my body positioning up because I don't fit on the bike as comfortably.

I disagree with the downshifting method mentioned earlier. I have always heard, each downshift should get the clutch because our transmissions like to be unloaded between gear shifts. Not to pull in the clutch and downshift 3 times and then release it.
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Old 04-26-2009, 04:28 PM   #27
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I do apologize. When "consistency" was mentioned, I thought he was talking about keeping the same exact line around the track. Now that you say lap times, it makes perfect sense. Little misunderstanding... my bad.

I also dont agree with that downshifting method. Seems unsafe especially with improper rev-matching when engaging the clutch.
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Thanks man. I wish I could be out there in May but I have a 2 week training course for the Army in Washington. Im trying really hard to get my Sergeant stripes! Will you be out there in June?

BTW I saw you haulin at MSRH on the 19th. Bike sounds vicious!
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Thanks man. I wish I could be out there in May but I have a 2 week training course for the Army in Washington. Im trying really hard to get my Sergeant stripes! Will you be out there in June?

BTW I saw you haulin at MSRH on the 19th. Bike sounds vicious!
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hahahahaa man. Glad youre alright.
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I'm still waiting for the fast guys to reply.

Actually, it was "fast racers". So you gotta be both FAST and a RACER to reply to this thread.

OK, lets get this right folks.

My reply is:

Don't listen to someone trying to tell you what to look like on the bike. That will come naturally as you get better, and not everyone will look the same. If you want to be a posuer, then thats another story.
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not every "fast racer" can help you. some just have a skill for it and can not explain it. some have been riding for years and it's natural others have studied, rode hard and became better.

good luck, will you be racing ne time soon?
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Actually, it was "fast racers". So you gotta be both FAST and a RACER to reply to this thread.

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Don't listen to someone trying to tell you what to look like on the bike. That will come naturally as you get better, and not everyone will look the same. If you want to be a posuer, then thats another story.
The vast majority of people who have poor body poisition on a bike have it because they need more seat time. You can teach body poisition all you want, but the only way to learn it is to ride and ride often.
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I disagree with the downshifting method mentioned earlier. I have always heard, each downshift should get the clutch because our transmissions like to be unloaded between gear shifts. Not to pull in the clutch and downshift 3 times and then release it.
You can disagree with all you want, but I have 10 years of racing and using this technique for a lot of those years. I picked this technique up from a pretty fast guy, maybe you have heard of him. Jason Pridmore. There is more then one way to skin this cat. Don't ever put your self in a box and think that you can only ride successfully one way.
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You can disagree with all you want, but I have 10 years of racing and using this technique for a lot of those years. I picked this technique up from a pretty fast guy, maybe you have heard of him. Jason Pridmore. There is more then one way to skin this cat. Don't ever put your self in a box and think that you can only ride successfully one way.
Sequential downshifting helps slow the bike (engine braking) and less risk of dropping a valve than multiple downshifts and letting out the clutch. All of this was thrown out the window when the slipper clutch came onto the scene. Like braking with a damned 2 stroke..
Everyone does have a different technique that works for them. Me, I sequential shift and use the rear brake when the tire is on the ground.
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You are absolutely right Kawasakijockey, although I have been doing this without a slipper clutch on my SV and before that on a TLR, it just really takes a slow clutch release to get it to work right. My point is that you should try different things and not discount something just because it does not work for you.
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You're right-on with the comments about those with exaggerated knee/ body positions. It's funny to me. I do use it as a drill with my students to have an exaggerated position, but that has a purpose for instruction only. It's funny to me to see people with exaggerated body positions when they're so slow. I can think of 2 great examples of this off the top of my head.

As far as dragging your toes/ pegs goes, on the k6+ GSXR the bike seems to be much lower than previous GSXRs and I have a problem with the stock rearsets too. I know I'd have more issue with them if my suspension wasn't set up properly. All that said, I'd suggest looking at where your forks/ shock is set as far as height goes. I've raised my front end 8mm and raised the shock 10mm. A helluva difference from stock. Also, it appears in your pic that you're "crossed up" and leaning the bike against your body. Comes with seat time and good instruction (from an experienced instructor).

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