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Old 04-16-2009, 11:29 AM   #1
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Qatar MotoGP: How close was first single-tyre race?

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Monday's season-opening Qatar night race was the first event of the single-tyre MotoGP era, with all 18 riders offered the same limited range of tyres for the first time.

As well as reducing costs, it was hoped that the move would make the racing closer, after two seasons dominated by drawn-out runaway wins since the switch to 800cc engines.

However despite having the same tyres available to all, and satellite teams getting machinery closer to factory spec (all the Honda and Yamaha teams now have pneumatic-valve engines for example) this year's Qatar Grand Prix saw the leaders break away even further than before, with a knock on effect throughout the field.

Casey Stoner had to fight his way back from a bad start to win in 2008, but led the 2009 race from start to finish. Both seasons saw 17 riders reach the finish.

Victory margin: 5.323sec (2008) - 7.771sec (2009)
Podium margin: 10.600sec (2008) - 16.244sec (2009)
Top 6: 14.040sec (2008) - 29.883sec (2009)
Top 10: 38.354sec (2008) - 42.284sec (2009)
Top 15: 58.930sec (2008) - 1min 0.286sec (2009)
1st to 17th (last): 1 lap* (2008) - 1min 15.028 (2009)

* Chris Vermeulen had to make a pit stop.

However, the gap did close significantly for those fighting in the 'mid-pack' - behind Stoner, Valentino Rossi and Jorge Lorenzo.

4th to 10th: 25.066sec (2008) - 17.874sec (2009)
4th to 15th: 45.642sec (2008) - 35.876sec (2009)

No real conclusions can be drawn from one race (especially a night race, being run one day late after a desert rainstorm) - except that the likes of Stoner, Rossi and Lorenzo will be fast whatever tyres they are on.

Meanwhile, Bridgestone expressed satisfaction with its single-tyre debut, although made no reference to the lack of close racing at the front.

I am happy with the new regulations and I think they worked well in Qatar, said Tohru Ubukata, manager of Bridgestone's Motorcycle Race Tyre Development. I believe we made the correct selection of two compounds for this first race, and I believe that these options also were ok for the teams. With just 20 tyres per rider, every team had sufficient to complete the race weekend, even though it was extended by one day, so I think new regulation is working ok.

I am pleased that we have been able to meet the task of providing a consistent control tyre and I am pleased we have completed this weekend with no problems, stated said Hiroshi Yamada, manager of Bridgestone's Motorcycle Sport Unit.
So it's brought the midfield together but stretched things out at the front if no other factors are taken into consideration.

whilst all riders MUST use Bridgestone tyres this year it is worth noting that 15 of the 17 full time MotoGP riders use Brembo braking systems !! Just saying
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So it's brought the midfield together but stretched things out at the front if no other factors are taken into consideration.

whilst all riders MUST use Bridgestone tyres this year it is worth noting that 15 of the 17 full time MotoGP riders use Brembo braking systems !! Just saying
Ok, is early to really measure if the new changes have made racing closer but based on these result, what else would you change so the rest of the pack can hang with The nurse and Dingo?

You have to keep this class as what it is a prototype top of the lines systems and bikes.
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Who are the two riders not using brembo?
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Who are the two riders not using brembo?
One is Dingo for sure cause they can't stop him
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Ok, is early to really measure if the new changes have made racing closer but based on these result, what else would you change so the rest of the pack can hang with The nurse and Dingo?

You have to keep this class as what it is a prototype top of the lines systems and bikes.
Electronic rider aids need to go !!

I love what Ducati are doing with their carbon fibre frame and how the direction and density of the weave effects stiffness and feedback, now that's prototype
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are the 250s required to run a single tire?
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One is Dingo for sure cause they can't stop him

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Electronic rider aids need to go !!

I love what Ducati are doing with their carbon fibre frame and how the direction and density of the weave effects stiffness and feedback, now that's prototype
Wich ones? Have you compared the amount of electronics used in WSBK with the ones used in GP. I see every one saying, less electronics, less electronics, well there is a BIG amount of data gathered and manipulated in WSBK and GP so they have to really sit down and make a really good matrix. But then, isn't this supposed to have the best on everything? I think that it is a very complicated issue and riders like nurse and dingo make it way more difficult cause of their talent to adapt to new technologies and changes.

They banned launch control, did that make a difference at the top? No, Dingo never used Launch control before so he still managed to get ahead, yes the duc has some good acceleration so still you need skills.

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are the 250s required to run a single tire?
not that I'm aware of but everybody uses Dunlop
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not that I'm aware of but everybody uses Dunlop
+1, i think only one team doesn't but i am not sure,
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Wich ones? Have you compared the amount of electronics used in WSBK with the ones used in GP. I see every one saying, less electronics, less electronics, well there is a BIG amount of data gathered and manipulated in WSBK and GP so they have to really sit down and make a really good matrix. But then, isn't this supposed to have the best on everything? I think that it is a very complicated issue and riders like nurse and dingo make it way more difficult cause of their talent to adapt to new technologies and changes.

They banned launch control, did that make a difference at the top? No, Dingo never used Launch control before so he still managed to get ahead, yes the duc has some good acceleration so still you need skills.

my 2 pesos.
launch control is still in service, it was proposed and agreed but then postponed.

I'm all for electronic aquisition & recording technology but any thing that takes away from the rider input and his input only I'm against.
Let the entrance to a corner be governed by the skill, bravery and judgement only of the rider. Let the exit be the same. No more opening the throttle at the apex at letting the electronics find the grip and the drive. Give it back to the rider.
I've no doubt the Doctor would STILL dominate based on what we've seen him do on the 500cc and early 990 but I'm sure it would close things up.
But that's my opinion
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launch control is still in service, it was proposed and agreed but then postponed.

I'm all for electronic aquisition & recording technology but any thing that takes away from the rider input and his input only I'm against.
Let the entrance to a corner be governed by the skill, bravery and judgement only of the rider. Let the exit be the same. No more opening the throttle at the apex at letting the electronics find the grip and the drive. Give it back to the rider.
I've no doubt the Doctor would STILL dominate based on what we've seen him do on the 500cc and early 990 but I'm sure it would close things up.
But that's my opinion
But aren't they doing that as well in WSBK?
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But aren't they doing that as well in WSBK?
I've just typed a load of stuff up and it reads like , we'll talk this one through over a beer
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I've just typed a load of stuff up and it reads like , we'll talk this one through over a beer & wings, we both owe to Irak
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i just got done watching the 250 race, what a race!
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For being crippled for a few weeks that Barbera raced (and raised) .
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For being crippled for a few weeks that Barbera raced (and raised) .
ya, here's my gf with him last year.
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