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Old 04-15-2009, 11:59 AM   #21
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Old 04-15-2009, 12:09 PM   #22
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was told somewhere by someone you keep pushing until you feel the front slip upon entry and thats how fast you want your entry speed to be (minus a hair to avoid that) well if you want to win a championship
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Old 04-15-2009, 03:00 PM   #23
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Private lessons would be nice Tom..maybe I will look into that in teh future but for the time being, I am just going to brake harder, later..try to carry a bit more corner speed and get on the gas sooner. I have this POS slash cut megaphone turn for a slip on with corroded headers. Perhaps a few mods may be in my future. I have waited until I did 20 some odd track days and one race to start thinking about performance mods...I may be ready.

I have heard something to that effect somewhere too Dean, but what I have discovered is that fked up body position and being on teh wrong line will make it slip too...not necessarily going faster. I tried to follow a guy through 8a and felt that but I was waaaaay off the line.

All I know is that I never got any real "OH !" moments when I raced...that tells me there is more there. I just have to be motivated to go and get it. Its hard to get that fire at a track day, unless I have someone to play with.

And 10-4 John....guess I better start checking my pressure.
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Old 04-15-2009, 03:11 PM   #24
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Keep following faster peeps.
Lots of good stuff on this thread, but the statement above worked for me. As long as your suspension/tires are sound, following faster riders will give you that little extra 'tow' you need to help get you over the hump. That being said, it helps, but is even more of a benefit in a student/instructor scenario.
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i agree with that.. if you want to get faster, the best thing you can do besides obvious practice is to ride with people that are faster than you.. follow them and learn from them. i think everyone hits a plateau here and there but there's always a way to break it and get over it. I also know that can be easier said than done though too.
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Lots of good stuff on this thread, but the statement above worked for me. As long as your suspension/tires are sound, following faster riders will give you that little extra 'tow' you need to help get you over the hump. That being said, it helps, but is even more of a benefit in a student/instructor scenario.
Also, if you can get some time on an empty track, that helps a lot!

With instruction, that is.
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I am just going to brake harder, later..try to carry a bit more corner speed and get on the gas sooner.
I dont think braking later and harder is the key to learning.

A common phrase related to being good on the brakes is "wait till you see then brake". In other words wait till your scared for your life, then brake. If you try this aproach you will probbaly have a few negative results.
1. unsettle the bike and risk loosing control
2. transfering too much weight too the front but HAVE to start to lean into the turn as your that deep into the turn = low side
3.over brake since your so scared for your safety and at that point you may just be trying to stay on the track.

What I do? I try to break in my normal markers BUT break lighter and get off of them sooner. It keeps me calm so I can make rational decisions and then use my brain power to start getting back on the gas. Coast time is something that some riders over look. If your coasting your leaving time on the table. My 2 cents.
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I dont think braking later and harder is the key to learning.

A common phrase related to being good on the brakes is "wait till you see then brake". In other words wait till your scared for your life, then brake. If you try this aproach you will probbaly have a few negative results.
1. unsettle the bike and risk loosing control
2. transfering too much weight too the front but HAVE to start to lean into the turn as your that deep into the turn = low side
3.over brake since your so scared for your safety and at that point you may just be trying to stay on the track.

What I do? I try to break in my normal markers BUT break lighter and get off of them sooner. It keeps me calm so I can make rational decisions and then use my brain power to start getting back on the gas. Coast time is something that some riders over look. If your coasting your leaving time on the table. My 2 cents.
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Makes sense. Typically are u braking all the way to your clip point then getting right back on the gas?
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Old 04-15-2009, 04:38 PM   #31
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Don't mind crashing. Just go faster till you crash then back off a little.
As funny as this sounds, this is exactly how I've improved my riding. It's a painful and expensive way to do it, but this has been my route (unintentionally of course). We all know the fundamentals of going fast; brake later, carry greater corner speed, pick lines that let you get on the gas earlier when exiting the corner (yes, I know it gets more complex). I'm one of the slower guys for sure, but my greatest improvements have come after I crossed the line and crashed.
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Makes sense. Typically are u braking all the way to your clip point then getting right back on the gas?
Clip point.....A sign youve been hangin out with Mr. Wonders. Every turn is different but I try to be on the gas right after I turn the bike in and before I get to the apex.
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Gabe,
I pm'd you what I thought was great advice. I hope I can keep that as my little secret and begin to leave these fools in my dust...
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Clip point.....A sign youve been hangin out with Mr. Wonders. Every turn is different but I try to be on the gas right after I turn the bike in and before I get to the apex.
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Eh...clip point, apex, the portion where I am closest to the curbing.... Whatever they call it.

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I pm'd you what I thought was great advice. I hope I can keep that as my little secret and begin to leave these fools in my dust...
Share you stingy

Good advice in here.

I know my times went way up after my crash. I am not confident in the tires like i used to be.
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One more simple thing to help reduce coasting. Take the slack out of your throttle.
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one thing I really tried to at the last ridesmart and LSTD trackdays at TWS (Texas World Speedway) was to really focus on my lines. Nailing the same brake markers/turn-in points/etc lap after lap. On sunday when it was so insanely windy it felt like there was no way I could beat my 1:56.9 I did the day before (with no wind), so I backed off a little and just worked on my lines, etc. In the last session, I went from running high 58s-low 59s all day to consistent mid 56s-low 57s and it really didn't seem like I was pushing and/or riding any harder than I had all day.
I know that's pretty basic, but it was a cool revelation I had. I'm gonna try and do the same at msr-h this weekend because I've been kinda hitting a wall there. The last couple TDs there I was trying to brake later/get on the gas harder without ever figuring out a good line, so I was all over the place (or at least I felt like I was).

and +1 on following faster guys. As long as they're not so fast that you can't keep them in sight
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Data acquisition help you identify where you are slow and work on one specific part of the track at a time. It pays huge dividends.
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