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Old 04-07-2009, 09:06 PM   #1
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Question Tire question

i getting ready for my first track day, and my bike is due for tires, presently it has a set of metzlers on it (on it when i bought it) which seem to be hard as a rock, and under power coming out of a turn they seem to want to slide the end a little bit, whats everyones opinon on what would be the best tires for me and the bike, the bike is a 03 R1 with factory suspension, as for myself, i am new to riding, so i dont have a great deal of skill as of yet

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the price seems good, but will they work for my application?


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something like a BT016 will work great. I question your statement about the rear tire sliding considering you're a self-admitted new rider.

Either you're riding stupid on the street or you're just not sure what you're feeling.
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The tires on the link are more than you would need.

For a trackday you need at least 50% tread. I would think your tires on right now will be OK, but Metzler makes many different kinds of tires.

Are you an experienced backroad rider? Do you think of yourself as an "aggressive" rider?

If you need a new set of buns PM SRCR Jon at South Central Race Center. He is a site sponsor

www.scrcenter.com he has good prices on Bridgestones and Pirellis.

Also, go to Motorcycles Unlimited and get your suspension set for your weight and riding style. Best $25 you can spend on your bike.
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I only recommend buying from trackside vendors like John at www.scracecenter.com .

You'll get the freshest tires, correct for that track and your riding style, and phenomenal trackside support. You definitely won't get that on-line.

There's more to it, I've paraphrased here, if you do a search here, you'll find lots more info on why you should use your local trackside support for tires. The $20 you'll save on-line won't help you get any trackside support when they send you some old tires that are the wrong compound and no advice on how to setup your bike/ tires/ suspension when they wear funky
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Old 04-07-2009, 09:14 PM   #5
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It's a liter bike. You gotta be careful with the throttle, regardless of the tires. That said, money no object I'd probably run Pirelli Dragon Supercorsa Pro for street/track combo. The Bridgestone BT002 Ride Smart is also a great combo tire and, I believe it's quite a bit cheaper, like $255 for a 170/190 combo mounted if the tires are off the bike.

Call John Hutchinson at South Central Race Center. Great guy, always the right tires in stock. Both Pirelli and B-Stones.

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BT-002 Ride Smart will give you plenty of grip and is a good street tire as well.

heres my review
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you're just not sure what you're feeling.
could be the case, maybe im misinterpreting what im feeling..the rear was set to the softest settings when i bought the bike, and we reset all the suspension today to the factory settings which really firmed up the rear, but i was only able to ride it a few blocks, so i cant say for sure
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Before you hit the track, be sure to have Motorcycles Unlimited do a suspension set up for you. As a matter of fact, you'll benefit if you have it done right away. Then you won't be compensating for a bike that's not working well, and learning the wrong things.
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The tires on the link are more than you would need.

For a trackday you need at least 50% tread. I would think your tires on right now will be OK, but Metzler makes many different kinds of tires.
tires are below 50 in the middle

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Are you an experienced backroad rider? Do you think of yourself as an "aggressive" rider?
not close, im trying to keep my wits about me, i want to ride aggressivly but lack the skill to do so at the moment

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Also, go to Motorcycles Unlimited and get your suspension set for your weight and riding style. Best $25 you can spend on your bike.
i did this on my own today with a few friends using this info
http://www.feelthetrack.com/tuning_guide.htm
but plan to have a professional do it as well
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Before you hit the track, be sure to have Motorcycles Unlimited do a suspension set up for you. As a matter of fact, you'll benefit if you have it done right away. Then you won't be compensating for a bike that's not working well, and learning the wrong things.
are these the same guys that do the suspension set up at the ridesmart track days?
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tires are below 50 in the middle



not close, im trying to keep my wits about me, i want to ride aggressivly but lack the skill to do so at the moment


i did this on my own today with a few friends using this info
http://www.feelthetrack.com/tuning_guide.htm
but plan to have a professional do it as well
If you have less than 50% get some new rubber. BT002's are the best moderate track tire out today (for the price)

Motorcycles Unlimited is a onestop shop for your tires and suspension. I would not suggest getting your tires done trackside only because if you don't get there early enough, you may loose track time getting your tires changed. Motorcycles Unlimited or SCracecenter can totally hook you up off the bike, but if you don't know how to take your rims off, goto Motorcycles Unlimited and get it all done at once.

Factory settings are probably no where near where you need your suspension set. Like MaxGs said, it will keep you from fighting your bike on the track. Hone it into a trackday weapon.
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are these the same guys that do the suspension set up at the ridesmart track days?

No it is not.
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I would have to say, for a first trackday experience I would suggest the BT016 or Pirelli Diablo Corsa III. Both offer plenty of trackday grip for a beginner, while still giving you good street life. I can get you taken care of at my place or trackside at a trackday.

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i love the metzeler's on the street. i've just purchased my 3rd set. i did my first 3 trackdays on em and for a novice rider they performed fine. i didn't slide anywhere after a lap of warmin them up. but when i decided to step up my game on the track, i put on the bstone 002's and it's a night and day difference. i'm leaning in the corners of the track with 100% confidence. go with the 002's, you won't be sorry. and john at SCRC has the best prices hands down
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BT002s isn't the end-all be all of track tires. Below a certain pace they're actually less grippy than BT016s. My gut tells me that if you're not at least at "intermediate" pace, you can't keep BT002s warm.
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BT002s isn't the end-all be all of track tires. Below a certain pace they're actually less grippy than BT016s. My gut tells me that if you're not at least at "intermediate" pace, you can't keep BT002s warm.
i'm in level 4

if or when i race, i'll put on the 003's. i was stating that in novice, the metzeler's performed fine. upgrading my tires helped me get bumped up though
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BT002s isn't the end-all be all of track tires. Below a certain pace they're actually less grippy than BT016s. My gut tells me that if you're not at least at "intermediate" pace, you can't keep BT002s warm.
I ran BT002 Ride Smart on the street, and never had a slip.
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I ran BT002 Ride Smart on the street, and never had a slip.
I had an '07 gixxer 1k last season. I cold tore the shizzle out of that rear.
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I had an '07 gixxer 1k last season. I cold tore the shizzle out of that rear.
What pressures were you running? The BT002RS are almost bullett proof.
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