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Old 04-06-2009, 01:27 PM   #81
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the corner working thing is for a turn that is 90 degrees and marked for 15 mph. We have a person there to make sure no one tries to take it at 20 or 25 or faster. Its a safety thing.
true. but if people were riding appropriate and paying attention to warning signs you would see ahead of time that the turn is a 15 mph turn. there would be no need for someone standing their waving for everyone to slow down. not saying i think it is a bad idea, but he has a point.

i have noticed a few people that do have in their sigs how many times they have ridden 3090
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He keeps running his mouth and he doesn't know WTF he is talking about. He's just trolling for responses.
who are you refering too.
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Old 04-06-2009, 02:11 PM   #86
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Give me a break
Some people love riding and thats their way of showing it.
Let them do their thing and you do yours.
How the fukk do you know how they ride out there anyway?
'Lil man really got a problem with me huh lol. Everything you say make sure you own it lol.
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'Lil man really got a problem with me huh lol. Everything you say make sure you own it lol.


I have no idea what he just said.
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He keeps running his mouth and he doesn't know WTF he is talking about. He's just trolling for responses.
...precisely where is his commentary
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You know its bad when someone mentions that certain guys out there are like "corner workers" and certain people have in their sigs a road and how many times they did it like its a track day then you know you might be taking a public road a little too seriously.
WRONG? (granted could have been worded better, but the gist/point still stands).


It IS good that mud and them put someone at the corner as an added precaution, but it shouldn't be neccessary...and could be a potential hazard/distraction (ie: Target Fixation).
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I've been riding street bikes off and on since the late 70's. I've done some stupid stuff, and been down more than once due to it. I like attacking a stretch of backroad as much as the next guy.

I've also learned that no matter how skilled you are, or how many track days you've done, or how many times you have run that road, all you control is yourself and your bike (some better than others).

Like Curt says, who got the trophy? Anything more than 60-70% or your ability and the road space is pushing it. I don't give a who you are. Sooner or later, you'll mess up. And you can't blame the road or your buddies or the buzzard, it is in your hands. MY problem is who else you take out when you go?

Another reason why I like small groups that I know.

That being said, it is a free country, even though we do have laws. We choose to break them or not, but remember you don't have the right to choose for anyone else.

Empty backroads with good sightlines, have at it and enjoy, take YOUR chances. Well traveled roads with blind curves and driveways and traffic, pull it back a notch and save it for the next track day. Is it really that much to ask? Even at that, play in the curves, chill on the straights. Not that hard to do is it, really? Anyone can haul in a straight, but then you are left with deciding how much to slow for the next curve or obstacle.

Just some rambling from one of the old farts.... take it as you will.
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I've been riding street bikes off and on since the late 70's. I've done some stupid stuff, and been down more than once due to it. I like attacking a stretch of backroad as much as the next guy.

I've also learned that no matter how skilled you are, or how many track days you've done, or how many times you have run that road, all you control is yourself and your bike (some better than others).

Like Curt says, who got the trophy? Anything more than 60-70% or your ability and the road space is pushing it. I don't give a who you are. Sooner or later, you'll mess up. And you can't blame the road or your buddies or the buzzard, it is in your hands. MY problem is who else you take out when you go?

Another reason why I like small groups that I know.

That being said, it is a free country, even though we do have laws. We choose to break them or not, but remember you don't have the right to choose for anyone else.

Empty backroads with good sightlines, have at it and enjoy, take YOUR chances. Well traveled roads with blind curves and driveways and traffic, pull it back a notch and save it for the next track day. Is it really that much to ask? Even at that, play in the curves, chill on the straights. Not that hard to do is it, really? Anyone can haul in a straight, but then you are left with deciding how much to slow for the next curve or obstacle.

Just some rambling from one of the old farts.... take it as you will.
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I've been riding street bikes off and on since the late 70's. I've done some stupid stuff, and been down more than once due to it. I like attacking a stretch of backroad as much as the next guy.

I've also learned that no matter how skilled you are, or how many track days you've done, or how many times you have run that road, all you control is yourself and your bike (some better than others).

Like Curt says, who got the trophy? Anything more than 60-70% or your ability and the road space is pushing it. I don't give a who you are. Sooner or later, you'll mess up. And you can't blame the road or your buddies or the buzzard, it is in your hands. MY problem is who else you take out when you go?

Another reason why I like small groups that I know.

That being said, it is a free country, even though we do have laws. We choose to break them or not, but remember you don't have the right to choose for anyone else.

Empty backroads with good sightlines, have at it and enjoy, take YOUR chances. Well traveled roads with blind curves and driveways and traffic, pull it back a notch and save it for the next track day. Is it really that much to ask? Even at that, play in the curves, chill on the straights. Not that hard to do is it, really? Anyone can haul in a straight, but then you are left with deciding how much to slow for the next curve or obstacle.

Just some rambling from one of the old farts.... take it as you will.
very well put. and a top notch guy to ride with.
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And please remember when we toss out the 70-80% stuff, that everyone is different. I've ridden with faster guys and slower, and I vary from day to day just depending on how I feel.

Hardest part of riding with anyone else is deciding what our limits as a group are. There is no such thing as "know your own pace" for beginners and even some long term riders.

I've seen guys more than once that made me think they were really pushing it to the edge.. and when I ask them they admit they were and scared more than once, but didn't want to appear slow.

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And why do peeps keep referring to Dave? While his accident may have triggered this thread no one suggested this was about him and his riding?
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I agree Jim..however, there is no substitute and no excuse for not improving ones skill set.
Absolutely 100% agree... but exploring the limits of that skill set on the back roads is just plain dumb. Much better to stay well within yourself, and have that extra backup to pull out when that "ah " moment comes, and you REALLY need it.

That being said, I am a firm believer in sharing what little I know in the hopes of getting someone to better themselves. Doesn't bother me a bit to go slow and chill if I can make someone elses ride more fun. And there are tricks and styles that can make you work just as hard on the street at much lower speeds, with a lot more road space to work with. Track lines are for the track.

But I prefer to try and impart street smarts versus all out track riding style for the street. There is a place for all kinds of riding.
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Empty backroads with good sightlines, have at it and enjoy, take YOUR chances. Well traveled roads with blind curves and driveways and traffic, pull it back a notch and save it for the next track day. Is it really that much to ask? Even at that, play in the curves, chill on the straights. Not that hard to do is it, really?
That is how I do my riding. . .I don't really go to the forest anymore for that reason and a few other reasons. . .But if I have a two mile stretch in a straight and no one is around, I don't always "chill" but that is my choice and I know the risks I take I give the rest of your post that I didn't quote a
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