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Old 04-06-2009, 10:18 AM   #21
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Coachdave loved 3090. He would ride it over and over again- he knew every turn backwards and forwards. He died doing what he loved- we can't ask more for him.

**I think he would be sad if everybody stopped riding the forest because of his death. Now ride in his memory- love it like he loved it.
that's very well said, squoddy. Thank you, I for one, I will certainly do so.
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just another road.

if not 3090, it'll be some other road.
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Its a of a lot safer on 3090 than say; I45, I10, 610, etc. etc. etc.
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Its a of a lot safer on 3090 than say; I45, I10, 610, etc. etc. etc.
It can be argued otherwise. Driving 100+ MPH on 3090 is far more dangerous than driving normal speeds on a Houston freeway.

Ever seen how long it takes to get an ambulance out on 3090?
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Its a of a lot safer on 3090 than say; I45, I10, 610, etc. etc. etc.
Well put. I definitely feel safer on 3090 than on those roads.

3090 is a very popular road and a lot of rides go through there so it is to be expected that bad things are going to happen. It's definitely a road to be respected. I've gotten to know the road pretty well and there are parts of it I know I could take faster but slow down on.
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It can be argued otherwise. Driving 100+ MPH on 3090 is far more dangerous than driving normal speeds on a Houston freeway.
I, respectfully, disagree. It all hinges on the skill set of teh rider.
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its a great fun road, but if you ride it like it's a racetrack you are just tempting fate.
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Like was said earlier its not the road its the pace. I would love to ride it one day but the pace of others makes it dangerous. You could be riding doing everything right then some "racer" plows into you.
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It falls on deaf ears man. Noone will even touch on the point. Its like everyone is in denial.
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There are 3 solutions in my opinion.

1. Slow WAY down which if you are like me you cant. And even when you think you are going slow enough, I still see people go down. I ahve seen them go down below posted limits.

2. Improve your riding skills.

3. Get off teh streets.

So anyway, I guess there is a thread like this every so often, but nothing changes. Hopefully the misfortunes of others will make believers out of the non.
but you CAN slow down... and i bet you do... but your "slowing down" may be above another person's 100% abilities. but if you have the ability to take a corner at 120 mph and you slow to 100 for the same corner... yes you are speeding, but by slowing your speed you have given yourself a small safety factor in your riding ability. I'm not saying everyone needs to slow down comparative to everyone else... just ride at YOUR 50% speed or 60% speed, depending on YOUR 100%. if you follow that, I would consider it riding safely. lots of corners that i come upon, i could most likely do 90 - 100 mph through them, but i keep it at about 70 or 75... that is my factor of safety and i consider that as riding safe... if something were to happen, i know the bike as well as myself have more. that same speed may be crazy to others though... it's all relative
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Like was said earlier its not the road its the pace. I would love to ride it one day but the pace of others makes it dangerous. You could be riding doing everything right then some "racer" plows into you.
Or come around headed the other way and either hit you or spook you into a mistake.

Wasn't a couple years back that a very skilled rider killed himself and another rider on Crabb running wide.

I love riding the back roads fast, but not at race pace.
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I, respectfully, disagree. It all hinges on the skill set of teh rider.
Exactly. Neither is inherently safer than the other, but it all depends on the rider and how they are riding. But if I went down, personally, I would like to be somewhere that doesn't take an hour for an ambo to get there. I think riding defensively, paying attention to those around you, and riding maturely on a Houston freeway is far more safer than doing far exceeding speeds on a twisty backroad filled with blind corners out in the middle of nowhere with an hour wait for medical help if something were to go wrong. But that's just my preference.
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but you CAN slow down... and i bet you do... but your "slowing down" may be above another person's 100% abilities. but if you have the ability to take a corner at 120 mph and you slow to 100 for the same corner... yes you are speeding, but by slowing your speed you have given yourself a small safety factor in your riding ability. I'm not saying everyone needs to slow down comparative to everyone else... just ride at YOUR 50% speed or 60% speed, depending on your 100%
You are EXACTLY right. But what about the people that "think" they are riding 50% and get in too hot, and dont know what to do?
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t happens on any road. I hit gravel coming back from coffee this morning just turning under the freeway and got squirrely at 10 mph! Stop riding the road about the road fine. Matter of factly when your number is called it's called. It's not about that, its about what you leave behind. Coach left behind great things, and many great memories for many people. I met the man once and I'm reeling from his loss. You say fck 3090, I say fck the numbers being called. It's an inherent risk when you get on a bike, he knew that. He loved riding anyway.

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Ambulances stage close now, knowing how bad it is there.

Took 15 minutes for the ambulance to come after being called.




As for skills etc, in this situation Coach wasn't even going what he would consider his normal pace. I know, I was leading the fast group and if you want to hear a number, fine.... I was on the Katana running 80-90 in 30mph corners. He wasn't anywhere near us, the three other riders I had with me probably have done 2 dozen rides with me on this very road.

As for Coach Dave's situation, that's the families business for now. We will share that later.

Everyone else that goes down, admits their own fault. We have always had groups w leaders that do not break a certain speed and also tell their followers to slow down at certain corners. Still, people crash. So unless they want me to ride their bike for them, it comes down to the rider. Period.
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**I think he would be sad if everybody stopped riding the forest because of his death. Now ride in his memory- love it like he loved it.
I'll say it certainly doesn't incentivize me to start....
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Ambulances stage close now, knowing how bad it is there.

Took 15 minutes for the ambulance to come after being called.
That's good to hear. Last time I was with someone that went down and a ambulance was called it was nearly an hour for them to arrive. not to mention the time it takes to get you to a hospital.
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You are EXACTLY right. But what about the people that "think" they are riding 50% and get in too hot, and dont know what to do?
if people are familiar with the roads then They'll know what their 50% is. If you don't know the raod... maintain the speed limit and the recommended speeds on the corners until you iknow otherwise. that's at least how i approach new roads. it sucks to find out that your "50%" is really 100% but if you are riding reposibly... then that means knowing the route before you go trying to break speed records
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