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Old 04-06-2009, 05:53 PM   #21
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i wanna verify what i was told.
you can see that on the picture iv'e taken off most of the tranny/clutch or w/e so that the engine should spin.

correct me if im wrong but i should be able to turn the motor at this point?


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Old 04-06-2009, 06:43 PM   #23
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if it will still push start why did you open it up? Have you checked to see if you have spark?
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Old 04-06-2009, 06:47 PM   #24
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if it will still push start why did you open it up? Have you checked to see if you have spark?
it won't push start anymore and the starters been messed up for awhile.
thats why i always push start it


i still wanna know if the engine should be able to turn by now??

the tranny seems to be working.
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Old 04-06-2009, 06:55 PM   #25
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with all the plugs out i would think it be to spin over somewhat free-ish. Btw that thing your wrench is on that youve been using to turn the motor over is your ignition advance i think you might need to take it to a shop and let them sort it out before you really mess your motor up and it costs you more money . Just my 2cents


If you wanna turn the motor over try using the larger shaft that your clutch basket goes onto
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your cam chain tensioner most likely broke and jamming your motor and make it lock. check if you have any slack on the chain where you have the socket turning the motor in the pic. the cam chain tensioner is located above that chain inside behind the frame. loosen the 2 allen head little by little to to relieve some tension from the chain to check if its the problem. im sure if you remove the cam chain tensioner completely out the motor will turn.

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your cam chain tensioner most likely broke and jamming your motor and make it lock. check if you have any slack on the chain where you have the socket turning the motor in the pic. the cam chain tensioner is located above that chain inside behind the frame. loosen the 2 allen head little by little to to relieve some tension from the chain to check if its the problem. im sure if you remove the cam chain tensioner completely out the motor will turn.
Yep that is the looking thing my friend just told me to remove. Its unscrewed but won't come out. Was waiting for him to call back but I will go work on pulling it out again. Thanks for the pics and the advise. I will update as soon as I get that out. Also your right, there is no tension in the chain at the moment.
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Ok the tensioner is completely removed now. There is slack in the chain but still nothing will turn

any ideas on the next step
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Ok the tensioner is completely removed now. There is slack in the chain but still nothing will turn

any ideas on the next step

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Old 04-06-2009, 09:09 PM   #30
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Don't see how a fall would cause it but something is locked up from the crank up. Shooting in the dark here... so stay with me. The fall caused the cams to jump out of time from excess slack in the cam chain thus opening a valve too early and the one of the pistons hit it, lodging the two together and not allowing it to follow threw the cycle. Try turning the engine over backwards and see if you can get any movement.
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Ok the tensioner is completely removed now. There is slack in the chain but still nothing will turn

any ideas on the next step

wow

is the bike in neutral?
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Don't see how a fall would cause it but something is locked up from the crank up. Shooting in the dark here... so stay with me. The fall caused the cams to jump out of time from excess slack in the cam chain thus opening a valve too early and the one of the pistons hit it, lodging the two together and not allowing it to follow threw the cycle. Try turning the engine over backwards and see if you can get any movement.
yes we tried turning it backwards and even with the clutch on and rocked the bike back and forth but still no luck.

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wow

is the bike in neutral?
i drained the oil, threw the clutch back on, left the chain tensioner off, slapped it on 1st 2nd and 3rd gear and pushed it back and forth to see if anything was stuck on the chain but that didn't work
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yes we tried turning it backwards and even with the clutch on and rocked the bike back and forth but still no luck.



i drained the oil, threw the clutch back on, left the chain tensioner off, slapped it on 1st 2nd and 3rd gear and pushed it back and forth to see if anything was stuck on the chain but that didn't work



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Old 04-06-2009, 10:45 PM   #34
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+1. i mite have a 50 to trade you
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So you can shift it though the gears? Okay so tranny is out. Crank, rods, valves, pistons, cams. Looks like you get to pull the head and see whats going on in there... fun times.
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do you have a 50 i can buy??
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i might have enough parts if you wanna build one lol a mix of chinese and real 50 parts
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i might have enough parts if you wanna build one lol a mix of chinese and real 50 parts

no chinese for me. What parts do you have besides those?
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i got a stock 50 frame i will sell for 100 bucks. a gas tank. a 50 extreme bottom end and top end. needs new clutch basket. that is all the honda original stuff. i got a set of plastics for you too. and maybe a few more little things. but with some work and if your not picky you could almost be riding
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i got a stock 50 frame i will sell for 100 bucks. a gas tank. a 50 extreme bottom end and top end. needs new clutch basket. that is all the honda original stuff. i got a set of plastics for you too. and maybe a few more little things. but with some work and if your not picky you could almost be riding

ill just buy a complete one. Im way to lazy for that.

I might wanna pick up that frame in the future though
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